Town between Cayenne S EV and upcoming BMW iX5

[mirto]

@Throb do you mean the iX5 has less interior space than the Cayenne? I did not expect that. Any comments about the interior quality conpared to the Cayenne?

 

[Throb]

@Throb do you mean the iX5 has less interior space than the Cayenne? I did not expect that. Any comments about the interior quality conpared to the Cayenne?

It certainly appeared so when I saw the iX5. The rear seats are OK, but they're not cavernous, which is what I thought when I saw the Cayenne.

 

[Throb]

@Throb Any comments about the interior quality conpared to the Cayenne?

Missed this bit.

It's hard to comment, because it was fitted with the Merino and Alcantara interior option in Tartufo, which is a €5,000 option or something, so hardly representative. It looked good, but I think a full leather optioned Cayenne is more premium.

 

[mirto]

Maybe it looks better in person, but I just don't like what they did with the interior
Potentially great vehicle though.

 

[Luminated67]

I reckon no one can base their experience with the iX3 as to how the new iX5 will drive because they aren’t even based on the same chassis. The real concern for me at least is the size of the battery, that means the weight will be significantly more than rivals like the Cayenne, that might not concern you if range is key in your thinking but if not then handling and a sporty drive are both going to suffer because of this weight.

I am completely amazed how good the Cayenne S is, no SUV should handle and drive this well and when you want return frankly amazing consumption, it’s currently only 13 degree here and I’m seeing every day 3.2miles/KW on short runs where the battery isn’t even getting to optimum operating temperature.

I think any EV SUV is going to have a hard time beating this and that includes the iX5, at least with it consumers have multiple choices of how it’s powered.

 

[Wivenhoe]

I’ve read a few reviews of the latest BM’s and they all seem to indicate the real world range to be well short of the WLTP whereas Porsche seems to use something far nearer. The BM range isn’t poor by any means but not streets ahead as the WLTP range gives them. E.g. What Car review of the iX3 over a 600 mile road trip gave a real range of 393 rather than the WLTP 500 miles. They only achieved a consumption of 3.2 miles / kw.

 

[Luminated67]

I’ve read a few reviews of the latest BM’s and they all seem to indicate the real world range to be well short of the WLTP whereas Porsche seems to use something far nearer. The BM range isn’t poor by any means but not streets ahead as the WLTP range gives them. E.g. What Car review of the iX3 over a 600 mile road trip gave a real range of 393 rather than the WLTP 500 miles. They only achieved a consumption of 3.2 miles / kw.

Yeah I read one were it was compared with the Mercedes GLC and despite the Merc claiming almost 100 miles less of range the actual range difference was something like 20 miles or so. The BMW still offered more just no where near as great as expected, I’m sure some people will be able to get over 400 miles at times and in the right situations but most will be disappointed if they are expecting the claimed 500.

 

[Form follows function]

I reckon no one can base their experience with the iX3 as to how the new iX5 will drive because they aren’t even based on the same chassis. The real concern for me at least is the size of the battery, that means the weight will be significantly more than rivals like the Cayenne, that might not concern you if range is key in your thinking but if not then handling and a sporty drive are both going to suffer because of this weight.

I am completely amazed how good the Cayenne S is, no SUV should handle and drive this well and want you want return frankly amazing consumption, it’s currently only 13 degree here and I’m seeing every day 3.2miles/KW on short runs where the battery isn’t even getting to optimum operating temperature.

I think any EV SUV is going to have a hard time beating this and that includes the iX5, at least with it consumers have multiple choices of how it’s powered.

Yeah I read one were it was compared with the Mercedes GLC and despite the Merc claiming almost 100 miles less of range the actual range difference was something like 20 miles or so. The BMW still offered more just no where near as great as expected, I’m sure some people will be able to get over 400 miles at times and in the right situations but most will be disappointed if they are expecting the claimed 500.

I just watched a pros and cons video on the upcoming IX5 that puts the estimated range at 450 miles due to the increased size and weight from the IX3.

The BMW’s estimated weight came in at 6395 lbs vs 5700 lbs for the S EV coupe.
Those additional 700lbs of weight is a lot of freight to haul around on a daily basis.

 

[Throb]

I’ve read a few reviews of the latest BM’s and they all seem to indicate the real world range to be well short of the WLTP whereas Porsche seems to use something far nearer. The BM range isn’t poor by any means but not streets ahead as the WLTP range gives them. E.g. What Car review of the iX3 over a 600 mile road trip gave a real range of 393 rather than the WLTP 500 miles. They only achieved a consumption of 3.2 miles / kw.

I've owned two BMW EVs (i5 and iX3), and I'm about to take delivery of my fourth Porsche EV, and the Porsches have always been much further from WLTP than the BMWs.

Also, the i5 was close to the Taycan in terms of long distance speed, because while it couldn't compete in charging performance, it could go further per kWh charged due to the efficiency.

I'm very impressed with the iX3 so far. I drove from Yorkshire to the south of Holland, via Surrey, with just one ten minute charging stop. I did 554.9 km, and the battery went from 100% to 9%. In my Macan Turbo I would have got around 340 km under the same conditions, before needing to charge. I don't expect the Cayenne Turbo I have on order to get anywhere close to the iX3, which is fine, as it's more sport orientated, and it's a class above in size.

 

[CHP]

I've owned my iX3 for just over three months, and I love the new Panoramic Display. It makes me wonder why it wasn't done years ago.




I also hate touchscreens in cars, and while the Tesla-style display doesn't look as neat and integrated as the Flow Display in the Cayenne, I think it's fine. Once you've set it up, you rarely need to touch it once driving.




I also prefer the Cayenne's display, but I also own an iX3, and the Panoramic Display works really well.

As for the steering wheel, the M Sport Pro has a more conventional steering wheel, and it's the one I have, and it's great to use.




I saw the iX5 two weeks ago at my dealer's preview event. I think it looks good from the outside, although it seems HUGE. Despite this, the rear space isn't the biggest I've seen, and it's nowhere near that of the Cayenne.

The iX5 M70 will be launched in September 2027.

Hi, how is the interior of new iX5? Interesting that it seems iX5 is smaller in the rear than Cayenne. Will they have 7 seater available? Otherwise will be hard to sell a much heavier car with less space in markets like UK. More range, due to fast charging, would not be a selling point for me (250 miles 80-10% is enough for me). I'd rather see the weight and size come down - Cayenne is really big and I continue to drive my wife's Mini for school run - for sure changing in winter due to preconditioning .

 

[Form follows function]

Hi, how is the interior of new iX5? Interesting that it seems iX5 is smaller in the rear than Cayenne. Will they have 7 seater available? Otherwise will be hard to sell a much heavier car with less space in markets like UK. More range, due to fast charging, would not be a selling point for me (250 miles 80-10% is enough for me). I'd rather see the weight and size come down - Cayenne is really big and I continue to drive my wife's Mini for school run - for sure changing in winter due to preconditioning .

The IX5 and Cayenne EV will remain two row models. The IX7 and future unnamed Porsche luxury SUV will be available with a third row. Porsche has hinted at a larger more luxury SUV based on what Bentley is planning to bring to the market.

 

[Luminated67]

I've owned two BMW EVs (i5 and iX3), and I'm about to take delivery of my fourth Porsche EV, and the Porsches have always been much further from WLTP than the BMWs.

Also, the i5 was close to the Taycan in terms of long distance speed, because while it couldn't compete in charging performance, it could go further per kWh charged due to the efficiency.

I'm very impressed with the iX3 so far. I drove from Yorkshire to the south of Holland, via Surrey, with just one ten minute charging stop. I did 554.9 km, and the battery went from 100% to 9%. In my Macan Turbo I would have got around 340 km under the same conditions, before needing to charge. I don't expect the Cayenne Turbo I have on order to get anywhere close to the iX3, which is fine, as it's more sport orientated, and it's a class above in size.

If my calculations are correct that equates to a total range of 381 miles in your iX3 which is still a sizeable drop from the claimed figure.

The son drove 380 miles in my Cayenne S and it averaged 3.2miles/KW, based on its useable battery size that should equal about 345 miles which is closer to the claimed.

The iX3 has the same battery size as the Cayenne so it’s more efficient by the tune of about 11-12% which you would expect given its lighter and smaller.

 

[Throb]

If my calculations are correct that equates to a total range of 381 miles in your iX3 which is still a sizeable drop from the claimed figure.

The claimed figure isn't while sat at 75-80 mph on the motorway though.


I keep a record of all fuel/electricity data on all cars I've owned. Looking at my Macan Turbo's data, in winter I could get a theoretical range of 322 km from a full charge, and in summer I would get around 380 km. This is 99% driving at night with cruise set at 120 km/h (75 mph). The WLTP range for my spec Macan Turbo is 555 km. If we take the summer value from my Macan to compare it with the iX3 fairly, I got:

68.5% of the claimed WLTP range (555 km) in the Macan Turbo.

74.6% of the claimed WLTP range (744 km) in the iX3.

The furthest distance I ever drove in the Macan Turbo on one charge was 438.6 km.

 

[Luminated67]

The claimed figure isn't while sat at 75-80 mph on the motorway though.

The son sat at 73mph the entire motorway run and sat near close to it until he hit Scotland where he had to sat at the correct speed, only about 50 miles of his journey wasn’t at motorway type speeds. No doubt if you are closer to 80mph then efficiency drops off dramatically but be sensible and EVs aren’t bad at all.

 

[Throb]

I have a fuel consumption database. I take cars on a specific test route in the Netherlands, which I use when doing a fuel consumption test (or energy consumption test) for any car I own or use, such as rental cars, which consists of driving at a constant 120 km/h, on relatively flat terrain, 99.9% on a motorway, and at an ambient temperature of around 15-20 degrees C. I check the wind in four different locations along the route, and if it's above 10 knots anywhere, I don't do the test.


Porsche Taycan Saloon (9J1.1)
Date of test: 27th May 23
Theoretical range (100-0%): 371.9 km
WLTP range: 505 km
Percentage of WLTP: 73.6%

Porsche Taycan GTS Sport Turismo (9J1.1)
Date of test: 14th Aug 24
Theoretical range (100-0%): 328.7 km
WLTP range: 490 km
Percentage of WLTP: 67.1%

Porsche Macan Turbo Electric (XAB)
Date of test: 4th Apr 25
Theoretical range (100-0%): 354.3 km
WLTP range: 555 km
Percentage of WLTP: 63.8%

BMW i5 eDrive 40 M Sport Saloon (G60)
Date of test: 8th Aug 24
Theoretical range (100-0%): 367.2 km
WLTP range: 527 km
Percentage of WLTP: 69.7%


It's interesting that the best car of the four is the Taycan Saloon RWD at 73.6% of the WLTP claimed range. The worst one is the Porsche Macan Turbo at 63.8%. I owned the Taycan first, from 2022, so is further in my memory. And the Macan Turbo is the most recent, and is the worst, so it's obviously clouded my memory. I also owned the i5 at the same time as the Macan, and it was better at achieving the claimed range.

So there's not much in it between Porsche and BMW, really. I think SUVs will be hit hardest when it comes to meeting WLTP range claims on motorways due to the aerodynamic issues.

I'm not able to do any tests along my test route at the moment due to long-running roadworks, and therefore speed restrictions, so I don't have accurate data for the iX3. 554.9 km is a theoretical 603.2 km, which is 81.1% of the WLTP range (555 km). And the 554.9 km was achieved on a more undulating route than my test route in the Netherlands.