[Competition] - the BMW iX5 M60 looks strong

[CHP]

Different price point but will undoubtedly share a lot of the Cayenne tech

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bentl...rcal-british-brands-first-ev-finally-has-name

Did overlay images, I think is more than sharing a lot of the tech. Roof line, windows and doors looks identical with minor changes to wheel arches, window frame and lower doors. Some changes to the back and significant changes to the front, probably 20 cm longer. Removing the side skirts with painted wheel arches will make the Bentley look more bulky and taller.

Not sure if this is all good news for us, assuming new Bentley is basically a Cayenne SUV and the interior will be more inline with Bentley (similar to Audi and Macan EV), they will need to temper with our software architecture to operate their infotainment system design. Luxury SUV EV is a niche market, I hope they don't drain Porsche engineers to operate theirs.

 

[CHP]

This would kind of explain ride comfort and noise insulation some of us have experienced - sporty but luxurious. We will know for sure later this year, wouldn’t be surprised if new, upgraded massage seats come from Bentley. Guess we get more wheel options .

 

[Moheisen(FirstEV)]

This would kind of explain ride comfort and noise insulation some of us have experienced - sporty but luxurious. We will know for sure later this year, wouldn’t be surprised if new, upgraded massage seats come from Bentley. Guess we get more wheel options .

Totally agree! Guess some people are in for a treat to order the MY27 cars since they will have a lot of functions we never got the opportunity to order

 

[CHP]

I clicked too many options already, in my case it's kind of a good thing that those additional options were not available at time of order . Don't forget, there might be the typical 3-4% yearly price increase for MY27.

 

[CHP]

Back to the original topic. Looks like BMW has a problem. Neue Klasse X3 is undoubtedly a masterpiece in terms of range but this was at the price of reduced comfort options to reduce overall weight. X5 can't do this, the car is heavier due to size and expected comfort features in that class. To meet the range of X3, they had no other choice as to increase the battery which of course adds to the overall weight. Further, the X5 is not an electric platform, it's a mixed one. Lots of compromises in my opinion which led to a very heavy car. The difference between Macan and Cayenne is around 300 kg depending on engine specs, difference for BMW is 2890 for x5 vs 2160 for X3. Cayenne base is 2525 kg.

 

[mirto]

Yep, very heavy. With the weight based taxing in the Netherlands, the taxes will also be really high for the ix5

 

[Fun TC Driving]

If I stand a back with a blindfold on, the iX5 wins in many important categories. But I just took my blindfold off and while of course merely my personal opinion, the Cayenne Coupe EV is more attractive. But if my eyes liked the iX5 better, it is the winner in 80% of the categories.

But again an opinion, other than the BMWs’ Panoramic Display, the interior of the Cayenne EV is far better looking. And I live in the interior. Also not convinced that the iX5 will handle nearly as well as the Cayenne.

I still will not buy the iX3 or its look-alike iX5. I will still pay way more than I should and choose a Porsche EV. Yet, I acknowledge that many smart folks will EV buy other-than-Porsche at this time.

 

[Clod Reed]

If I stand a back with a blindfold on, the iX5 wins in many important categories. But I just took my blindfold off and while of course merely my personal opinion, the Cayenne Coupe EV is more attractive. But if my eyes liked the iX5 better, it is the winner in 80% of the categories.

But again an opinion, other than the BMWs’ Panoramic Display, the interior of the Cayenne EV is far better looking. And I live in the interior. Also not convinced that the iX5 will handle nearly as well as the Cayenne.

I still will not buy the iX3 or its look-alike iX5. I will still pay way more than I should and choose a Porsche EV. Yet, I acknowledge that many smart folks will EV buy other-than-Porsche at this time.

I think you should buy a Tesla …using the self drive feature while blindfolded you’d save a fortune driving around imagining your in your porsche

 

[CHP]

If I stand a back with a blindfold on, the iX5 wins in many important categories. But I just took my blindfold off and while of course merely my personal opinion, the Cayenne Coupe EV is more attractive. But if my eyes liked the iX5 better, it is the winner in 80% of the categories.

But again an opinion, other than the BMWs’ Panoramic Display, the interior of the Cayenne EV is far better looking. And I live in the interior. Also not convinced that the iX5 will handle nearly as well as the Cayenne.

I still will not buy the iX3 or its look-alike iX5. I will still pay way more than I should and choose a Porsche EV. Yet, I acknowledge that many smart folks will EV buy other-than-Porsche at this time.

Let’s see and wait. The Cayenne already feels bigger and less agile as compared to Macan. Weight difference for x5 is double. If horse power and acceleration are any indication (578 hp, 4.7 s) it will feel sluggish at lower speeds due to weight. Gross vehicle weight is shy of 3.5T (20 kg). That’s Range Rover Territory.

 

[CHP]

The majority of people buying Porsche EVs aren’t really “EV people” to begin with, and I don’t think that’s talked about enough. Personally, I don’t care about EVs at all. I would never have bought an electric car if it weren’t a Porsche, simply because Porsche has managed to make one that still feels like a proper driver’s car. The acceleration, braking, steering, and overall handling feel much closer to an ICE car than any other EV I’ve driven. I test drove a Tesla and an ID.7 a couple of years ago and honestly hated every second of it—it felt like driving a vacuum cleaner.

Another factor is tax incentives. At least for me, that’s a big reason for choosing an EV as a daily driver. We have some of the best charging infrastructure in the world, so it makes perfect sense. If that weren’t the case, I’d happily be daily driving a Turbo GT instead.

That’s really the point I’m trying to make: Porsche buyers often choose with their heart as much as their head. That’s very different from the typical EV buyer who’s cross-shopping a Tesla, Volvo, BMW, or similar brands.

Just look at how many people here are ordering a Cayenne Turbo. A lot of them are in their 50s or 60s and still want 1,100 hp they’ll probably never fully use. I actually admire that. It isn’t about the number itself—it’s about appreciating what Porsche can do with that performance and how the whole car comes together.

I’m by no means a Porsche fanboy, but I do think I understand the Porsche customer segment fairly well.

No age discrimination please . Eventually the Turbo will kill a few, lots of young motorcyclists with no protection in heatwave driving like crazy through dense traffic on city motorways but underestimating electric car‘s acceleration. Had two near misses already. Luckily you hear them with open roof, coupe turbo drivers, well, good luck.

 

[Moheisen(FirstEV)]

If I stand a back with a blindfold on, the iX5 wins in many important categories. But I just took my blindfold off and while of course merely my personal opinion, the Cayenne Coupe EV is more attractive. But if my eyes liked the iX5 better, it is the winner in 80% of the categories.

But again an opinion, other than the BMWs’ Panoramic Display, the interior of the Cayenne EV is far better looking. And I live in the interior. Also not convinced that the iX5 will handle nearly as well as the Cayenne.

I still will not buy the iX3 or its look-alike iX5. I will still pay way more than I should and choose a Porsche EV. Yet, I acknowledge that many smart folks will EV buy other-than-Porsche at this time.

The majority of people buying Porsche EVs aren’t really “EV people” to begin with, and I don’t think that’s talked about enough. Personally, I don’t care about EVs at all. I would never have bought an electric car if it weren’t a Porsche, simply because Porsche has managed to make one that still feels like a proper driver’s car. The acceleration, braking, steering, and overall handling feel much closer to an ICE car than any other EV I’ve driven. I test drove a Tesla and an ID.7 a couple of years ago and honestly hated every second of it—it felt like driving a vacuum cleaner.

Another factor is tax incentives. At least for me, that’s a big reason for choosing an EV as a daily driver. We have some of the best charging infrastructure in the world, so it makes perfect sense. If that weren’t the case, I’d happily be daily driving a Turbo GT instead.

That’s really the point I’m trying to make: Porsche buyers often choose with their heart as much as their head. That’s very different from the typical EV buyer who’s cross-shopping a Tesla, Volvo, BMW, or similar brands.

Just look at how many people here are ordering a Cayenne Turbo. A lot of them are in their 50s or 60s and still want 1,100 hp they’ll probably never fully use. I actually admire that. It isn’t about the number itself—it’s about appreciating what Porsche can do with that performance and how the whole car comes together.

 

[Moheisen(FirstEV)]

No age discrimination please . Eventually the Turbo will kill a few, lots of young motorcyclists with no protection in heatwave driving like crazy through dense traffic on city motorways but underestimating electric car‘s acceleration. Had two near misses already. Luckily you hear them with open roof, coupe turbo drivers, well, good luck.

Haha! 100% agree, I would personally never be able to handle 1110hp let alone in an SUV (which was the opinion of almost every reviewer)

 

[mirto]

I think the main questions are: why do you buy a car? If it's just a tool to go from A to B. Why not buy a nice tool for 30k? If it's just driving an EV. Why not a cheap Kia/Hyundai/Tesla? Everyone has a reason to spend this amount of money, whether it be practicality, luxury, affordability or something else.
I never thought I'd be driving an EV, the Jaguar I-Pace won me over with its driving dynamics. I never thought I'd ever consider a big SUV, driving a friend's Cayenne V8 won we over.

X5 has always been the more sensible option compared to the Cayenne, the Cayenne has always been the most fun and better built option. I think this will still be the case when iX5 will be compared to Cayenne Electric.

 

[W1NGE]

Let’s see and wait. The Cayenne already feels bigger and less agile as compared to Macan. Weight difference for x5 is double. If horse power and acceleration are any indication (578 hp, 4.7 s) it will feel sluggish at lower speeds due to weight. Gross vehicle weight is shy of 3.5T (20 kg). That’s Range Rover Territory.

That would make it an HGV if 3.5T.

I've read it's around 2.9T unladen which is a lot but a 141kWh battery will tempt many with range disorders.

 

[CHP]

That would make it an HGV if 3.5T.

I've read it's around 2.9T unladen which is a lot but a 141kWh battery will tempt many with range disorders.

3.49 T is maximum load, 5 adults and 5 bags/suitcases. Some countries starting to measure weight.