[Competition] - the BMW iX5 M60 looks strong

[daveo4EV]

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/article/detail/T0458814EN_US/the-new-bmw-x5-and-ix5

https://g65.bimmerpost.com/forums/s...g65-debut-specs-wallpapers-videos-photos-info

this is a very very strong looking product…from BMW - X5 60 xDrive

some stand out features IMHO

• Range 400+ miles
• Vehicle-to-Load - run household items thing directly from the vehicle - great for camping
• Vehicle-to-Vehicle - charge another EV
• Vehicle-to-home - back up battery for your home
• Their NACS port handles both AC power and FastDC power vs. Porsche's half-assed Fast DC charging only on the drivers side and L1/L2 J-1772 charging only on the passenger side…they didn't even go NACS on the passenger sided for AC _ONLY_ - and they are shipping a J-1772 EVSE rather than the standard/future NACS charging plug/port…
• 460 kW max charging speed!!
• Price - probably can't get this car much above $115k even checking _ALL_ the boxes…
  • that's $85k less than my sample Cayenne Turbo EV build, and likely $65k less than a GTS build once it's out…
• 15 kW onboard AC charging - BMW is doubling down on faster home/AC charging while Porsche is neutering their vehicle's via software updates to slower home charging and can't get their story straight as to how fast their OBC's are…or make them reliable.
• Auto close doors…and auto open with sensors.

I see it playing how this way in the vs. Cayenne/Porsche

• Driving Dynamics I'll give the edge to Prosche here based on history/reputation - but the BMW is no slouch - it wil be fine/equal for 87% of driving vs. the Cayenne
• Pure performance/acceleration - Cayenne Turbo wins hands down by only at great cost/MSRP/Price - other trims are equal or slower than the BMW - the BMW is going to be more than equal to a 4S or GTS - and trounce the lower trims…
• Interior customization choices - probably Porsche wins, but again only at great cost
• Tech - BMW hands down winner
• EV features - BMW
• Driving Aids - BMW
• Price - BMW probably by 20/30% more favorable pricing
• Interior Room - BMW
• NACS support - BMW
• Home charing speed - BMW
• forward looking vehicle-to-[blah] features - BMW
• screens and tech - BMW
• apps on the passenger screen/entertainment - BMW

Summary: Prosche win's on driving dynamics and raw acceleration - and loses on everything else…and charges too much vs. competitive alternatives…

I'm a long time Porsche victim - and would love a Cayenne EV - but the lack of tech engagement, a half-assed NACS implementation, history of lack luster EV engagement and ever increasing pricing with no real end in sight or justification of their "tax" in the EV is going to make this one a hard purchase to swallow the Porsche tax - I'll be looking to buy a full BEV SUV in late 2027 and both cars will be available by then … gonna be hard for Porsche to win my business if this sucker is as good as the brief…

Porsche needs to up their game on the entire vehicle feature set, and make their pricing closer to the competition - but I'm not going to pay 30% for the Porsche badge and less tech and half assed EV charging support…

Porsche isn't going to get the message if we keep buying their products and asking them to up their game - they're going to have to lose hard to "get the message" that the EV world is different…may have to buy a BMW - what a shame.

$0.02 YMMV

 

[daveo4EV]

using BMW's own categories

Powertrains - BMW = Porsche (except for Turbo)

probably about equal to a 4S or GTS Cayenne​

Charigng and battery technology - BMW > Porsche

more advanced, faster, greater capacity ​

Next-Gen Digital Experience & Cockpit - BMW > Porsche

a laundry list of things Porsche doesn't even anticipate doing any time soon​

Chassis Dynamics and Ride Control - BMW <= Porsche but only by a slight margin

probably a major upgrade for bMW bringing them closer to Porsche​

Driver Assistance & Safety (SAE Level 2) - BMW > Porsche

so much listed here that Porsche doesn't do or even try to do…​

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Price - BMW wins with an excellent SUV BEV feature set …

 

[daveo4EV]

you're likely to be able to option/purchase a fully loaded BMW iX5 M60 for less money than a nicely optioned Macan 4S EV…

there may be something wrong in Stuttgart…but perhaps I'm missing something.

 

[frankchn]

This has been true for a gas Cayenne or Macan compared to the X3 and X5 for the last couple of generations.

A Cayenne S with a few options gets you very close in price to an X5M.

 

[daveo4EV]

This has been true for a gas Cayenne or Macan compared to the X3 and X5 for the last couple of generations.

A Cayenne S with a few options gets you very close in price to an X5M.

I think what's different is Porsche no longer has their engines and exhaust note to hide behind - and with low CG's of EV's handling dynamics are also much more equal and their competitors have closed the gap…

add in the "superior" tech/software focus and a Porsche EV is simply a lower tech worse software vehicle from a company known for 9,000 RPM flat=6's…

ICE Porsche's an expensive mechanical watch…

EV Porsche's an expensive digital watch…and they don't do the digital quite as well as the other guys and yet charge like they are still making a mechanical watch…

 

[frankchn]

I think what's different is Porsche no longer has their engines and exhaust note to hide behind - and with low CG's of EV's handling dynamics are also much more equal and their competitors have closed the gap…

I think this would be more of a problem when Porsche transitions their sports cars to EVs at some point, since those are on bespoke flat sixes coupled to PDKs or stick shifts.

The ICE Macans and Cayennes are using the Volkswagen corporate turbo V6 and V8s, used in everything from the Touareg to the Urus. The powertrains are nothing special, especially in the Cayenne, where the corporate engine is coupled to the ZF 8-speed used everywhere.

Arguably BMW has a superior powertrain in the lower models with their excellent B58/S58 inline sixes compared to the TTV6 in the Macans and base Cayennes.

I think for the SUVs, the badge and the Porsche handling characteristics are the selling points, and I think this will remain so for the EV Macan and Cayennes. Putting Active Ride into the Cayenne EV (even if it is only an option) shows that Porsche is still making an effort there

 

[W1NGE]

Cayenne EV 300Kg lighter (smaller battery), higher towing capacity, rear load space seems better as there is only manual release of rear seats in BMW. Cosmetically both are in a race to be the ugliest, cooler front lights, DRLs and indicators on BMW, not sure about the awkward looking screens in BMW and the steering wheel looks meh to me.

ICE petrol and diesel, EV, Hybrid and Hydrogen powered variants of the BMW.

Servicing will be significantly cheaper with BMW if the iX3 is anything to go by.

Bang for buck the BMW is the clear winner.

Porsche are clearly worried as I typed just iX5 into Google search and the first hit was the Porsche Cayenne EV.

 

[CHP]

Prices are not out, performance of iX50 rather similar to base Cayenne. Interior and exterior is personal preference. If prices for new ICE x5 40 are any indication, BMW will be more expensive in Germany and UK. So yes, if you are in need for all the latest gimmicks, by all means get the iX50. I really don't miss anything on Cayenne and ergonomics are perfect. Consumption is rather similar, they just put in a bigger battery. The iX3 is kind of no-brainer in terms of price, technology and range, don't think the iX5 will be.

 

[mirto]

Starting price in Europe will be the same for iX5 60 and Cayenne base, so I don't see what Porsche would have to do with pricing. Crazy option lists are a German thing, not a Porsche thing. So option the iX5 comparatively and it'll be at the same price range still. Sounds weird, but for what you get the Cayenne EV is an affordable Porsche IMO. As for the leap in tech for the iX5, I don't see it. What are these areas which the iX5 clearly trumps the Cayenne? With this one Porsche nailed it with the tech IMO. BMW Neue klasse is greatly done, but I really hated it when I sat in the iX3.

In the end it's all about emotions and about how the car makes you feel when considering these vehicles. Who really needs to spend more than 50k euros on a car? I never buy new, so I'll see in 1-2 years, but the Cayenne is now at the top of the list. Yes part of it is emotion, but it's also an excellent vehicle judging by the new reviews. Does it make sense to spend this much on a car? Nope. But I had the same dilemma when buying my I-Pace four years ago. The Kia EV6 was the logical choice, but the I-Pace makes me feel special when I'm sitting in it and it drives like a hot hatch. I dislike SUVs, I never would even considering one without a family, but having the option to own an SUV which drives like a sports car? Yes please. That's why I love my I-Pace even with all its shortcomings.

 

[ocflyer]

using BMW's own categories

Powertrains - BMW = Porsche (except for Turbo)

probably about equal to a 4S or GTS Cayenne​

Charigng and battery technology - BMW > Porsche

more advanced, faster, greater capacity ​

Next-Gen Digital Experience & Cockpit - BMW > Porsche

a laundry list of things Porsche doesn't even anticipate doing any time soon​

Chassis Dynamics and Ride Control - BMW <= Porsche but only by a slight margin

probably a major upgrade for bMW bringing them closer to Porsche​

Driver Assistance & Safety (SAE Level 2) - BMW > Porsche

so much listed here that Porsche doesn't do or even try to do…​

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Price - BMW wins with an excellent SUV BEV feature set …

@daveo4EV I agree with everything you have saiid in this post. And BMW isn't winning on gimmicks, unless you consider CHARGING, Driver Assistance, NACs port, and a huge difference in PRICE gimmicks.

It may come down to just how much the loyal Porsche buyer is willing to overlook to get a Cayenne EV over the BMW. The NACS port- really- that's just not acceptable. Performance will be most similar to the 4S, and my build is $144k for the Cayenne 4S and expected to be $90k for this (with more tech). Buying new- BMW- without question. Or, in 2027- buy a used Cayenne or a new BMW.

 

[CHP]

SUV don't drive like sport cars, some feel just sportier than other SUVs . Otherwise couldn't agree more, super happy with mine.

 

[CHP]

@daveo4EV I agree with everything you have saiid in this post. And BMW isn't winning on gimmicks, unless you consider CHARGING, Driver Assistance, NACs port, and a huge difference in PRICE gimmicks.

It may come down to just how much the loyal Porsche buyer is willing to overlook to get a Cayenne EV over the BMW. The NACS port- really- that's just not acceptable. Performance will be most similar to the 4S, and my build is $144k for the Cayenne 4S and expected to be $90k for this (with more tech). Buying new- BMW- without question. Or, in 2027- buy a used Cayenne or a new BMW.

Prices in USA may be different as BMW is producing in US wheres Porsche is not. Cayenne base is 105k compared to BMW ICE x5 40 102k for Germany.

 

[mirto]

SUV don't drive like sport cars, some feel just sportier than other SUVs . Otherwise couldn't agree more, super happy with mine.

Severe exaggeration yes I don't know how to word it better. "As close to a sporty drive an SUV can get"?

 

[RMI]

Can't speak for the NA market but here in Europe I know very few people who ever cross shopped between a Cayenne and an X5 (or a Q7, GLE, RRS etc.)

At least here they've never made sense head-to-head unless you actually wanted the Porsche badge.

However I do think it's more difficult than ever for manufacturers to create one platform that's competitive in every market.

While you might compare the Cayenne EV with the ICE Cayenne S, GTS..., we essentially haven't had ICE's with any sort of character for years due to the tax climate. The only ICE Cayenne's you still see here are (S)E-hybrids which has the same engine that's in the now discontinued Q7 PHEV's.

If what you want it a tech-fest then the Cayenne has never been the right option, and honestly the reason I ordered mine coming from a Q7 60 TFSIe and GLE 450d is because Porsche seems to be the only one that isn't trying to out-chinese the chinese manufacturers when it comes to the interior.

I want my steering wheel to look like a steering wheel, my instrument cluster in front of me and my infotainment screen integrated in the dash but it seems like that's to much to ask from the other three german manufacturers at this point.

Maybe It's a me problem but when I saw the iX5 leaks, I actually liked the exterior. The interior however I find disgusting, but that's subjective. What I can't actually understand is how someone could seriously consider both at the same time with them being so different.

 

[ocflyer]

so I've asked Gemini the pricing question and just asked again based on data in the official reveal. Here is my 4S configuration (in the US)-

https://porsche-code.com/PT2QR717

I uploaded that and asked Gemini to compare pricing. It said


The Finalized Price Breakdown

Price Component	2026 Porsche Cayenne S Electric(Your Preferred Configuration)	2027 BMW iX5 60 xDrive(Official Launch Trim)
Base MSRP	$126,300	$79,800
Price for Equipment / Options	$15,930	~$4,500 (Executive Pack + Metallic Paint)
Destination & Handling Fee	$2,350	$1,450
Total Out-the-Door MSRP	$144,580	~$85,750

Where the Savings Come From

1. The Base Price Disruption: BMW priced the dual-motor, all-wheel-drive, 578 hp iX5 60 at a base of $79,800. That means before you click a single option box, the BMW starts a massive $46,500 cheaper than the Cayenne S baseline ($126,300).
2. The "Included" Premium Tech: Because the "60" tier is designated as the launch flagship, you don't have to piece your build together ala-carte. The adaptive matrix LEDs, a massive panoramic display, the premium sound array, 4-zone climate control, and a panoramic glass roof are standard.
3. The Only Pack You Need: To truly match the premium luxury touchpoints of your Porsche build (like the 14-way multi-contour memory seats and hands-free driving tech), you just have to check the box for BMW's Executive Package. Even with that package and premium paint added, you are looking at an estimated final sticker of around $85,750.

The Verdict
By choosing the official launch-trim BMW iX5 60, you are looking at a final price delta of roughly $58,830 in personal savings over your Cayenne S Electric build.

Essentially, BMW is giving you more continuous horsepower (578 hp vs. 536 hp baseline), a drastically larger battery (144 kWh), and an extra 100+ miles of driving cushion for a price tag that leaves enough room in the budget to buy an entire second vehicle...