Glad to be done with Porsche and Taycan

[Archimedes]

Why would have Taycans for US market different range/specs than Taycans in Eu?

They don’t. But the US testing protocols are more accurate. Even if you take the AMCI rating, which is a real world perfect conditions test, you only get 275 miles. On top of that, there was ample real world data out there soon after the initial release of the Taycan, and none of it indicated over 300 miles. It all said to expect low 200s and sometimes you’ll get 250-270.

An expectation of 320 was delusional.

 

[TC Fan]

I believe the OP is in the US. EPA range for the 4CT is 235 miles. If the OP thought they were going to get 320 miles, they simply didn’t do their research. That’s on them.

Not true. I was one of the first to receive same. Porsche said it would get 320 miles with the 4s and larger battery. They claimed 280 when they actually did their release video. Then the epa numbers came out and Porsche scrambled to say those numbers were wrong. I never even got close to 280.

 

[TC Fan]

As for those who say the lucid is ugly, I thought so too until I saw it in person. I got it in silver to avoid the two tone look. It looks like a consistent color and not weird. It also came with the latest software where apparently many of the bugs were fixed. Finally, it’s hot 800+ HP, which is way more than i need, but blows the turbo s away. Maybe not off the block, but going from 60-100 requires very little pressure on the accelerator. Much faster than my 4s

 

[B61]

@TC Fan : IMO, it’s not ugly at all, just Taycan lines/curves are without competition.
What about inside materials/assembly quality?
(And i’m affraid to ask, how’s rear camera view)

 

[ciaranob]

@TC Fan : IMO, it’s not ugly at all, just Taycan lines/curves are without competition.
What about inside materials/assembly quality?
(And i’m affraid to ask, how’s rear camera view)

Yeah this is my feeling too - I want to like the look of this car, it is an amazing piece of tech, but the design just falls short for me - the 2023 optional stealth 'matte' roof top look helps re color combos but it's the overall exterior design that for me can't match the Porsche. This example config below costs more than my over-congifured 4S.

No question the stats for the car are truly impressive but I actually have more than enough range for my use and same for power - the instant torque (non-unique) and above all handling (Porsche unique) that I can experience every day is what makes the Taycan a perfect fit for me.

EDIT:
Adding a comparo pic

 

[B61]

Compared to BMW EV, Lucid looks like miss of the Universe
i also liked dashboard and lower screen…glass roof looks amazing, and rear seats looks extremely comfortable.
I’d definitely give it a try, if i’d live close to the Newark, CA

 

[proficient_mathematician]

I don't think the Lucid looks bad, maybe the C pillar could use a little work. Plenty of uglier EV's out there than the Air.

 

[thecoloradokid]

I adhere to a strict limit of one ugly car in my stable of vehicles at a time. My F-150 Lightning is pretty ugly, but that vehicle is all about the functionality for what I use it for and I could care less what it looks like.

My CT4s covers the attractive, fun vehicle in the stable. No way in hell I would swap a Taycan for a Buick looking sedan that looks like it would fit in at the local senior citizen center. Sure, the Lucid has great range and drives like a super comfy lounge chair on wheels, but there is no escaping the lack of design inspiration - it is just UGLY. Aerodynamics be damned.

I am on my 3rd Taycan. I had an early VIN '20 4s that spent two months in the shop waiting for a new 12v battery. My second 4s sedan was a nicer color and had a few more fun bits than the first car and never spent a minute in the shop outside of getting an update or recall fix. Now I have a '22 CT4s that has meet all my expectations.

Can I log into Spotify in my car? Nope. Is the PCM a little squirrelly? Sure. Is there a light rattle somewhere in the car that comes and goes randomly? Sure is, but I can't hear the rattle over the radio. Did a piece of the off road body molding fall off the car in the first week I had it? Yup, but the local Porsche body shop was able to get the molding glued back into place. The car is not perfect, but no car is. My Taycan drives like nobody's business and it puts a smile on my face even if I am driving to the local Target.

As they say, different strokes for different folks. But, it is hard to have any sympathy for someone that comes onto the Taycan board saying they got rid of their vehicle because of challenges they experienced with the local Porsche dealership network, and then admits they swapped the Taycan for a Lucid Air, and its non-existent service center network.

 

[gnop1950]

As for those who say the lucid is ugly, I thought so too until I saw it in person. I got it in silver to avoid the two tone look. It looks like a consistent color and not weird. It also came with the latest software where apparently many of the bugs were fixed. Finally, it’s hot 800+ HP, which is way more than i need, but blows the turbo s away. Maybe not off the block, but going from 60-100 requires very little pressure on the accelerator. Much faster than my 4s

Beauty is in they eye of the beholder and I've found this is especially true for automobiles. Heck, I've know people that think the AMC Pacer and Gremlin X are good looking cars

Personally I don't like the looks of the Lucid and I've seen one in person, but all that really matters is if you are happy with it.

 

[gnop1950]

Going to be honest. This is the type of post I most feared reading.
Car is in Emden and I have been waiting 1 year to receive it. First time Porsche buyer and first time EV owner. So a sort of double whammy. I feel like I am getting cold feet and am always thinking maybe I should just buy a Porsche ICE car like the Panamera which is more tried and true…
Reading other posts most people seem to be doing ok with their Taycans but truly reading this post makes me wonder ??

I wouldn't worry overmuch. I'm a first time Porsche buyer as well. I have a very highly optioned 2022 4S since May 2022 and have had zero significant issues.

Now I bought it as my "fun" vehicle and only have a bit over 3k miles on it so maybe that makes a difference. However, I'd have no qualms about taking off on a longer journey and we may well do that next summer. I do make relatively frequent 140 mile round trip drives. I have no complaints about the rear view camera, it seems fine and is perfectly functional.

I did get the 19.2kW option and a Porsche Wall Charger Connect so I haven't had any of the issues that have been brought up concerning the US model mobile chargers. They did "update" the charger that came with the car when I took it in for the ANA 6 update and I immediately put it back in the bag for "emergencies".

Service, so far, has been a pleasant experience and most of that will likely be dealer dependent. Mine has been excellent, although I didn't really care for the Panamera loaner they gave me.

 

[rich_r]

I'll second I-Pace and throw in the Audi E-Tron GT (the sister car). Yes same basics but different in tuning and interior/infotainment. It has a few quirks (some parallel to Porsche) but my experience with Audi overall has been positive over the years.

I’ve really enjoyed the ipaces that I’ve driven and like the clever packaging. But they seem even more supply constrained than the taycan right now

 

[Andy0565]

So, I’m moving from an iPace, have an AM Vanquish as my weekend car and the wife drives a Range Rover.

None of these represent sensible choices when looking at things from a reliability and tech perspective but all have soul..

At the end of the day, I want a driving experience more than a computer experience and I’m so excited about the Taycan after enjoying numerous test drives (my dealer lets me have each new demonstrator for a day to keep me sweet with all the delays)

 

[kmcdonal]

Not true. I was one of the first to receive same. Porsche said it would get 320 miles with the 4s and larger battery. They claimed 280 when they actually did their release video. Then the epa numbers came out and Porsche scrambled to say those numbers were wrong. I never even got close to 280.

I think the numbers varied a ton with your usage. I was pretty much always at 300 miles during the summer with my 4S with the extended battery. I had 20" wheels and all season tires. That said, once the weather got colder, my mileage went way down. There were other things that caused big spikes in range, but for me I easily was at 300 during the summer.

 

[whitex]

I also bought one of the first Model3 here in France and that has done 35k km’s. Apart from shifting tyres and changing brake fluid and wiper blades, it has been without any issues. Again I guess most problems were ironed out in the US before any shipment to Europe. There have been a few recalls for checking things that meant bringing the car in, but they were handled within 2 - 3 hours while enjoying a lunch and some shopping. So mass production does not necessarily mean worse quality in use.

Model 3 was Tesla's 3rd car (4th if you count the Roadster), so they had plenty of time for teething problems. You are also correct that they ironed out a bunch of Model 3 stuff in the US (e.g. bumpers falling off during the rain, windows and charge ports freezing up, etc). I was referring to teething problems in the first few years starting in 2012.

I guess I have been quite lucky over the years with service guys. we had a great relationship with both BMW, Aston Martin and Porsche over the years and did not have the negative experiences you describe. Yes they were normal ICE cars but they never tried things on. The closest I came to it was with Aston Martin, but with advice and support from an ex Aston development guy, it was never really tried on.
And I have never seen or experienced the practice youseem to hve in US, with dealers adding fancy admin charges?

I don't mean admin charges, I mean things like your example of " checking the drains in the OPENING SUNROOF". If you had an opening sunroof, you would have paid for it even though they might have done the exact same amount of work (none) as they did on your Taycan. You only caught this because your Taycan does not have a sunroof. I've had tire rotation invoiced as part of service on a car with asymmetric tires which cannot have wheels rotated, been asked to pay for service which could be solved with a warranty part instead (e.g. a dealer once tried to push rotor remanufacturing/polishing/smoothing to solve shaking while braking, but after I pushed back that it was a very new car and rotors warping is covered under warranty, they just replaced the rotor under warranty instead and the advisor just winked at me saying "hey, I gotta try, it's my job"). Or they push services to you at a higher interval than even recommended by the manufacturer (e.g. "you have to do an oil change every 3,000 miles"), flushing fluids which don't need to be flushed (or maybe just charging for it, since customer would never know and they know it's not needed). Even Tesla started to pull this shit on customers lately, adding unwanted services automatically, underquoting services by as much as 50% only to call you once the car is already in the shop to tell you that they forgot to include a $300 part in the quote, and unless you approve they will just put the old part back in, etc.

Some dealers are better than others, I've developed some relationships over time, including with Tesla service techs over the last decade, except most of those people burned out and moved on since. The new people there are mostly new and Tesla is automating profiteering (e.g. automatic services added to your quotes even if you didn't ask for them, refusals to cover things which even surprise the advisors, such as when I went in with the main screen yellowing on a less than 1 year old Model S and the advisor told me it's not covered under warranty because it's a "wearable" - he was so surprised that he added "I guess Tesla does things a little differently than my last employer", turned out he just switched jobs from working for BMW).

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

Recent Taycan sales numbers aren't great, but the order backlog looks firm. The one thing that is probably true, is that with Porsche as a public company, the finance guys are going to takeover and will want to cut costs and extract as much revenue as possible.

The recent sales numbers were due to supply, labor/transportation issues etc.
Also, Porsche was already a part of a public company - not sure why anything would change now that it's back under the control of the family?