Anyone going back to a Tesla?

[DRR]

I guess it depends on where you travel. Plan a CCS route from Pittsburgh to Charlotte. It’s 10.5 hours in the Taycan which includes 52 minutes charging at a Hyundai dealer in Charleston Chargepoint station if available. We have done it in 8 hours in our Model Y Performance many times with no wait at a supercharger. My EA experiences have been poor. If working, the max I ever got is 126 KW. So for me it’s frustrating to see the other manufacturers sign on for NACS while Porsche remains silent.

 

[Archimedes]

Range is more about how/where you drive than anything. I get 225 miles in warm weather, and about 185 in cold weather. Not as bad as OP claims, but pretty dead on the Porsche estimator for my spec.

 

[kawazydude]

I don't know about the Model S range, but I also have a Model Y (in addition to my Taycan RWD w/ PB+), and the Taycan gets better range than the Model Y. Although the Model Y when fully charged might indicate a range of close to 300 miles, when you're actually driving, that range drastically drops and ends up being a lot less than that. This is compared to my Taycan which when full will indicate a range of close to 300 miles, and I actually get exactly what is stated.

So in summary, I'd look into whether you actually get more range with the Model S. Also, I wonder if your battery has issues given the low range compared to others who have much higher range even in the winter.

 

[xyeahtony]

As someone who's owned 4 teslas before my Taycan, i would not go back. All 4 teslas basically drove the exact same while my Taycan drives completely different. sounds cliche but this car is more 911 than EV. Guess-o-meter range for me is around 240miles at 100%, which is basically the real world range of my previous MYP, Model X 100D, and beats my old Model S 75 RWD. Only the Model 3 Long Range with its "350 mile EPA range" could possibly beat the Taycan with its 280mi real world range.

 

[snstevens]

Deleted. Sorry - didn't mean to throw shade.

 

[DRR]

Personally I don’t believe range is the issue. With access to an extensive supercharger network like NACS and decent charging speed, I believe 250 miles of EV battery range is more than adequate since I like to stop every few hours anyway on a road trip. If you can’t achieve more range through design efficiency, why add all the extra battery weight to gain range? When I drove ICE vehicles I rarely gave the size of the fuel tank a second thought since gas stations are so plentiful. So, yes I’d like a NACS DC adapter for my Taycan like Ford, GM, Mercedes, Nissan and others will soon supply to their CCS customers. I have the optional 150kw 400v DC onboard charger which I hope to use someday but I’d be happy with 50kw at a supercharger near the Highway instead of some small out of the way town center or competing car dealer.

 

[thecoloradokid]

So, yes I’d like a NACS DC adapter for my Taycan like Ford, GM, Mercedes, Nissan and others will soon supply to their CCS customers.

Soon???? Dream on.

I am betting the independent adapter will only be available once these legacy car makers start rolling out models with a NACs plug built into the car. Only then will Tesla provide an adapter for the older cars of these auto manufactorers that have a CCS plug.

Tesla is under no obligation to allow access to their network outside of a mechanism or process they control - like they do now in the 11 sites in New York and California where they have the built in adapters under pilot test currently.

It sucks you in a part of the country that is adjacent to the charging black hole known as West Virginia, which severely limits your ability to easily drive straight south. However, your hope that a NACs adapter will provide relief via the Tesla supercharging network in the near future will only leave you disappointed when you fail to see the so called adapter appear for two to three years. Instead, I would place my hopes on Tesla putting in their built in adapter in supercharging locations in WV in the next year or two. That will make your drive to Charlotte much easier.

That, or move. No problems navigating a CCS car throughout the country on this side of the Mississippi, except for remote parts of Texas, North Dakota, or Montana. But, you have the same issue with a Tesla in those parts as well.

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[Jonathan S.]

Soon???? Dream on.

I am betting the independent adapter will only be available once these legacy car makers start rolling out models with a NACs plug built into the car. Only then will Tesla provide an adapter for the older cars of these auto manufactorers that have a CCS plug. [...]

All the (nearly identical in substance) press releases for GM, Ford, Rivian, Volvo/Polestar, MB, Nissan, and [this space reserved for whoever is next] say Spring 2024 for the NACS-R <> CCS-P adapters for use at the ~12k V3 250kW Superchargers.
(Yes, I know, the Cybertruck, Hyperloop, etc. are a bit off from their target dates, but the Supercharger network has a far different track record.)

And once the OEM adapters are available, then Amazon will have aftermarket models (just like with the existing adapters for NACS-P <> CCS-R, NACS-P <> J1772-R, and NACS-R <> J1772-P) from a dozen or so Chinese companies.
But those aftermarket NACS-R <> CCS-P adapters won't be of any use for VAG, BMW, Kiundesis, and Toyota/Subaru [reminder to strike out any of these preceding companies pending future announcements] drivers until those companies become signatories to the terms of surrender.

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

New to forum. [...] Considering trading the Taycan for a Model S. Love the Taycan but the range is not great especially in winter. Live in rural area and commute quite a bit. No charging station on my commute. Even with performance battery plus can barely make it to work and back in the winter. Only 65 miles each way.

Taycan:
[pluses are mainly cosmetic]

Model S
[minuses are mainly cosmetic]

OP, the way you phrased it sounds like Model S is the clear winner. No point in worrying about whether you'll get home, if the Tesla eliminates that problem.

Rule #1 (for me at least) is to never let other people (== enthusiasts) spend your money. If the Taycan doesn't work for you, let it go.

 

[thecoloradokid]

All the (nearly identical in substance) press releases for GM, Ford, Rivian, Volvo/Polestar, MB, Nissan, and [this space reserved for whoever is next] say Spring 2024 for the NACS-R <> CCS-P adapters for use at the ~12k V3 250kW Superchargers.
(Yes, I know, the Cybertruck, Hyperloop, etc. are a bit off from their target dates, but the Supercharger network has a far different track record.)

And once the OEM adapters are available, then Amazon will have aftermarket models (just like with the existing adapters for NACS-P <> CCS-R, NACS-P <> J1772-R, and NACS-R <> J1772-P) from a dozen or so Chinese companies.
But those aftermarket NACS-R <> CCS-P adapters won't be of any use for VAG, BMW, Kiundesis, and Toyota/Subaru [reminder to strike out any of these preceding companies pending future announcements] drivers until those companies become signatories to the terms of surrender.

Fair enough, and thanks for the insight.

Let's see if Tesla adheres to that schedule, and how they will manage the process. As they say, let's see the rubber it the road before we give Tesla credit for opening their network.

 

[snstevens]

All the (nearly identical in substance) press releases for GM, Ford, Rivian, Volvo/Polestar, MB, Nissan, and [this space reserved for whoever is next] say Spring 2024 for the NACS-R <> CCS-P adapters for use at the ~12k V3 250kW Superchargers.
(Yes, I know, the Cybertruck, Hyperloop, etc. are a bit off from their target dates, but the Supercharger network has a far different track record.)

And once the OEM adapters are available, then Amazon will have aftermarket models (just like with the existing adapters for NACS-P <> CCS-R, NACS-P <> J1772-R, and NACS-R <> J1772-P) from a dozen or so Chinese companies.
But those aftermarket NACS-R <> CCS-P adapters won't be of any use for VAG, BMW, Kiundesis, and Toyota/Subaru [reminder to strike out any of these preceding companies pending future announcements] drivers until those companies become signatories to the terms of surrender.

I like the timeline, but to be honest I wouldn't buy an aftermarket adapter for a high voltage / high current connection.

An aftermarket adapter might pose the same problems as those we saw with NEMA 14-50 plugs, only at higher voltages and current.

 

[NuJerzPorsche]

your basically going back to a go-kart if you go back to Tesla

 

[DerekS]

your basically going back to a go-kart if you go back to Tesla

 

[Fish Fingers]

New to forum. Don’t kick me off for asking this…Porsche guy here. Have 2021 Taycan RWD (my 5th Porsche). Truly have had a passion for Porsches since my teens. Previously owned a Tesla Model 3 performance. Considering trading the Taycan for a Model S. Love the Taycan but the range is not great especially in winter. Live in rural area and commute quite a bit. No charging station on my commute. Even with performance battery plus can barely make it to work and back in the winter. Only 65 miles each way. Summer-no problem.

Anyone gone back to a Tesla after owning a Taycan. Thoughts?

Taycan:
-no better looking car on the road
-compliments daily
-good build quality/handling-all the stuff Porsche guys appreciate
-best AC in any vehicle ever owned
-some quirks, tech not as good as tesla
-kids complain it’s cramped in back
-what is that strange ticking noise?
-don’t know what it is with keyfob battery-but constantly needs replacing
-vehicle occasionally locks me out
-2 electric system failure lights-fixed at dealership
-otherwise reliable

Model S
-great tech and range
-comfortable for family of 5
-better computer than is car
-dated styling (my previous M3P felt like a 7 year old car after 2 years)
-much better app
-that acceleration

Surely there is something wrong with your car.
I would take it in and have it looked at.

To those with more knowledge than me, what could cause this apart from battery fault. Heat pump??

 

[Dee]

...can barely make it to work and back in the winter.
Only 65 miles each way.

That's ridiculous.
With my '20 Turbo S I get at least 180 mls in winter with sub zero temps.
Summer 220+.

keyfob battery-but constantly needs replacing

After replacing, it takes a few days to accept the new value.
It'll be ok for another year(s).

Anyone gone back to a Tesla after owning a Taycan. Thoughts?

Thoughts: Moehahahahaha! ????
Good one! ??