Tesla Price Drop

[Zcd1]

Funny thing is that the Plaid actually brakes shorter AND grips harder in cornering than even the Taycan Turbo S. Not suggesting that the Plaid drives better, but its capabilities are nothing to discount…

And before anyone counters with “but but but the brakes overheat ZOMGELEVENTY!!!”, consider the last time you did 5 panic stops in row from 100+mph on the street…

Adding Tesla’s $20K Track Package eliminates any and all braking and cornering concerns and STILL costs much less in total than even a moderately-optioned Taycan 4S…

 

[Marmolata]

Would like to hear from others in this forum on the major price drop Tesla announced for Models S and X. S now starts at $75k and X at $80k. All paint colors are now standard. EV prices seem to be dropping across the board and competition is heating up. What do you all think about Porsche strategy as Taycan prices have gone on the other direction? Would buyers look for Taycan competition especially T now? We cannot ignore the massive super charging advantage they already have and now with these prices, T may become unbeatable. Thoughts?

In panorama, Porsche said it going up market. As others here have said, silly to compare tesla w Porsche. nothing to compare.

 

[Jagu]

The 1020 HP tri-motor Model S Plaid is now less expensive than even the base RWD Taycan. (!!)

Now, I’d buy the S plaid over the base Taycan all day.

 

[whitex]

In panorama, Porsche said it going up market. As others here have said, silly to compare tesla w Porsche. nothing to compare.

I beg to differ. Competition is based on comparisons. Or are you claiming that Porsche OTA experience is the purposeful “up market” design? Same for maximum power, 1000+hp for a Taycan would be too down market?

 

[Archimedes]

Funny thing is that the Plaid actually brakes shorter AND grips harder in cornering than even the Taycan Turbo S. Not suggesting that the Plaid drives better, but its capabilities are nothing to discount…

And before anyone counters with “but but but the brakes overheat ZOMGELEVENTY!!!”, consider the last time you did 5 panic stops in row from 100+mph on the street…

Adding Tesla’s $20K Track Package eliminates any and all braking and cornering concerns and STILL costs much less in total than even a moderately-optioned Taycan 4S…

For a Tesla owner, you sure spend a lot of time on a Porsche forum. ?

 

[PorscheCH]

Funny thing is that the Plaid actually brakes shorter AND grips harder in cornering than even the Taycan Turbo S.

does it? sources? zperfs (https://zeperfs.com/duel9231-8797.htm) reports very similar results, with the Taycan turbo (non s) slightly better.

regardless, Plaid lacks refinement of driving dynamics, steering is vague, Torque V is far from nuanced, etc. if one wants a muscle car why not the srt demon? ok it does not have the same Ikea interior and the big LG tv in the front but the srt 170 is even faster

 

[whitex]

Reading this thread, I wanted to make a quick observation. It seems some members think that saying that another car does something better than the Taycan automatically means the car is overall better, which is not the case at all. For example, Model S Plaid does have and do some things better than my Taycan (e.g. OTA updates, charging, motor power which includes both max power and not locking it behind some old marketing relic like Launch Control, range) and yet knowing this I decided to pay more money for a Taycan. Will everyone do this, of course not, because people have different priorities why they buy their cars. For example, if you spend most of time time doing long range trips in North America, I would even suggest a Tesla. That is not to say you cannot do road trips in a Taycan (I drove mine coast to coast), just that Tesla does give you more charging options (has all the same options Taycan has, +2x that). For occasional trips it doesn't matter for me, but if I was traveling for work a lot (sales?) it would matter to me. If I drag raced for fun, Plaid is an obvious choice too. However if you like to track your car, Taycan will be more fun if you prefer precise driving, but if you you enjoy driving a raw jittery beast (some people do), go Plaid with ceramic brakes (which is still cheaper than a Taycan 4S).

So in other words, all cars have their strengths and weaknesses. There are things which Tesla does a lot better, and things which Porsche does alot better, and even things which I prefer in an eTron GT over Porsche (same platform, more physical buttons), or Mercedes (augmented reality HUD with matrix headlights displaying turn by turn direction arrow right on the road in front of you, true Level 3 autonomy where you can close your eyes while driving). Personally I am an equal opportunist when it comes to products, I use Windows, Linux, Android, iOS (I tried MacOS too but it didn't work best for any of my needs), and I choose cars based on all manufacturer's offerings when I choose to buy a new car. I chose Taycan as my latest purchase because overall it fit what I wanted best. Next car, Porsche has a slight unfair advantage as I tend to try to stay with the brand first if I like it, but in the end the overall offering will determine which brand car I drive in a few years. For now, I am enjoying the hell out of my Taycan, in more ways than one (not just driving it, but also reverse engineering it, learning how things work).

 

[Zcd1]

does it? sources? zperfs (https://zeperfs.com/duel9231-8797.htm) reports very similar results, with the Taycan turbo (non s) slightly better...

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-tesla-model-s-plaid-first-test-review/

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-porsche-taycan-turbo-s-pvoty-review/

Braking 60-0 - 104 feet for each.

Lateral acceleration: Taycan Turbo S 0.98G, Plaid 1.05G

Again, I'm not suggesting that the Plaid drives better - it clearly doesn't, but its performance bona fides are there in spades.

 

[SergeyIndy]

Now, I’d buy the S plaid over the base Taycan all day.

Really? This is the type of quality you are ok with:

 

[Jagu]

Really? This is the type of quality you are ok with:

I have rented Teslas in the past and never came across the issues that you experienced, thankfully.

 

[Jonathan S.]

Tell me about it. The other day I’m coming back to my car from the store and some older lady is loading her car next to mine and says “oh, I was just admiring your car. It’s beautiful… just too bad it’s an electric”. And then goes into saying “do you know how destructive manufacturing these cars are for the environment” and “aren’t you afraid it’s going to blow up”. Full on anti EV rant. Never experienced that before.

Other way around here for my "progressive" bubble of a stereotypical New England college town: I even got EV license plates solely so that everyone can know that despite appearing like a typical middle-aged self-absorbed jerk driving a Porsche, I am actually ... SAVING THE PLANET!
(Okay, plus the EV plates were at no extra charge. And I know from both my education and work that electricity does not come from magic pixie dust.)

The other day when a little girl excited yelled out to me "I love your car!" as she was walking toward her family's Prius (while my own daughter was visiting a friend at the neighboring house, also with a Prius), I responded with, "It's an EV!" so that I wouldn't be out of place.

 

[Jonathan S.]

I say let 'em stew. I told very few people about my car while I was waiting to get it, but I did tell my Aunt because my Uncle is a life-long 911 owner and one of the people who inspired my love of Porsche. When I was checking in on them with an email after a Cat 4 hurricane made landfall in their city I mentioned I was finally getting my Porsche, and her response was, "Well, EV's sure didn't fare well in the flooding." Uhhh... ok? Maybe don't drop $6 mil in cash to live in the path of a hurricane? I ended up never even sending a picture after I got it. Whatever.

I thought that any vehicle -- EV or ICE -- is pretty much automatically given a salvage title after flooding?

 

[Jonathan S.]

I think Porsche made the taycan for people who are looking to get a Porsche, but likes the idea of an EV. Not someone who is cross shopping between EV brands.

I wonder if I'm in the Taycan minority for being the exact opposite?

 

[Jonathan S.]

I probably fit in that demo, and here comes the part of the post where I embarrass myself by blowing decades of dust off my undergraduate economics degree. At the time, Adam Smith's supply and demand was taught as the greatest single economic insight, but I have always been more of a Ricardo fan.

I want to give Porsche money to do things that I think Porsche does a relatively good job of doing, and I want to put money elsewhere when it comes to things that I think Porsche does a relatively bad job of.

That means I speced air suspension and rear-axle steering and a Race-Tex interior and eschewed Innodrive and all of the quasi-autonomous ADAS stuff. I think that gives me greater ROI (in a utility/$ sense, not a residual value "what will the next owner value?" one).

Been awhile since I read a reference to comparative advantage -- and sure didn't expect to see it here.
But I do like the application, well done!

Agreed that PID seems to be kind of half-baked. Maybe I'll try it via FoD just out of curiosity.
My used 4CT has the tech package, so iirc that means I can try PID via FoD, assuming FoD is actually ... functioning?

As for those other features, the adjustable-height suspension was one of the CT draws for me.
RAS and upgraded interior were not must-haves but there were want-to-haves.
My used 4CT has the leather interior, even the fancier Olea, and although I haven't done any direct comparison compared to base or regular leather, it sure is pleasant.
Both my test drive of another used 4CT and my own 4CT have RAS. Without a direct comparison to non-RAS, I don't know for certain what kind of a difference it makes, but I'm always astonished -- in a good way -- how a vehicle that seems to massive in some ways can feel so agile when maneuvering in tight quarters.
(Interesting to parallel parking and stick out more into the street than other cars, yet still have so much ease getting up to the curb.)

But my used 4CT though has some other baffling options.
Leaving out the $3,150 exterior color ("Ice Grey Metallic" which sure looks like white to me, especially since grey ice in a mountaineering context is totally gross) and the $2,170 ORD (which the prior buyer might have mistakenly thought to convey some practical benefits), the build included $4,140 in appearance items.
If I were placing a new order and I somehow had no choice but to spend $4,140 in add'l options, first I would have spec'ed PTV+ ... oh wait, that was also included.
Okay, how about ... PDCC ... variable light control roof ... NVA. So many other tempting options!
And while looking at all 60+ used 4CT listings, I saw many builds that omitted any functional options, and instead included even far more in cosmetic options. As if any 4CT isn't already looking sufficiently outrageously awesome, or rare!

 

[Jonathan S.]

I don’t think my wife even knows how to turn the regular cruise control on.

But she said having sport design front was required/non-negotiable.

Ditto re my wife!

But she said no way was she interested in test driving any other cars since she loved her Subaru Impreza.
So one day I said goodbye as I left on a ~50-mile bike ride.
Yet then drove back with the BMW i4 M50 I had ordered three months earlier without telling her.
She was enraged at first, but she loves it now.