Glad to be done with Porsche and Taycan

[f1eng]

There is a Porsche brand tax that placed on their cars and you have to suspend the concept of "value".
The Taycan is the best EV out there, but you have to pay that tax.

A bit like Rolex in watches, though Rolex are not the best watches but fine mass produced products cleverly marketed and price controlled by limiting production.
In the case of a watch I am not prepared to be exploited. In the case of fancying a new car there were few choices which suited me.
I need 4/5 seats for the odd grandchild pickup only rarely but it does mean I don't use my sports car for long trips any more.
I have a perfectly servicable daily driver but on the odd occasion I want a good turn of speed it doesn't have it.
I don't need or like SUVs.

In the end there isn't another car I like enough to buy, if the Taycan didn't exist I would simply continue with what I already own.

 

[whitex]

an intermittent rattle coming from the ac (it’s annoying but goes away after a few minutes of driving and i typically play music so can only hear it inside the beautiful silence of my EV). Oh, and I just got the uPdate last week and it’s solid.

Are you sure it's not a rattle coming from the underside of the lower touch screen in the console, as I've seen reported here somewhere that it goes away after some driving in the morning (sorry I cannot find the post).

 

[whitex]

I feel your pain in all of this. So many problems with the car and the attitude of Porsche. A new car model and such a huge leap from the normal Porsches are bound to have teething problems. At that stage it certainly requires very good customer relations to get through such a period. And on that front I think Porsche as a company has failed miserably! They sat back and just would not communicate or acknowledge the problems.

Unfortunately it does not stop with only teething problems either. When you read their ongoing attempts to dream up completely false service needs, (in my case checking the drains in the OPENING SUNROOF) you start to wonder what Porsche stands for.

The following post and thread is one of them
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/uk-service-costs.7305/post-199800.

I have been a great Porsche fan and had the car as dream car when I was old enough to appreciate cars. But now I am totally disgusted with their behaviour. Unfortunately so far I have not been able to test drive any other EV that drives as well as the Taycan. But I am sure there will be one launched soon. I am very much looking forward to seeing what the new Lotus Eletre will be like, once open for tests.

Can’t wait to get out an alternative yo the Taycan. Apart from going back to an ICE car.

P.S. I have had the uPdate and a lot of initial issues have been sorted in my car, but still some minor niggles remain, that leaves a foul taste.

All new tech has teething problems. Tesla has had many problems, but they were the new kid on the block and during times where there was no shortages of cars, so they had to earn it, and they did, with stellar service. Once the model 3's came our such service was no longer sustainable, but they had great hype marketing and essentially no competition. When the competition finally started rolling in, supply chain and labor shortages came and manufacturers had the complete upper hand - take what we have or someone else will. Tesla also happen to be able to manufacture way higher volumes in such constrained supply-chain times due to their vertical integration and true engineering agility, so they came out on top again simply because they were able to make more cars (If my Taycan gets here as per TYD today, it will be almost 2 years from deposit to delivery, with a lot of effort to actually find an allocation - way harder than ordering a Tesla online and getting it in a few weeks, maybe months).

The problem may be that Porsche is having teething problems in a 100% seller's market, so there is no business reason to take care of it. They are also suffering from labor shortages, meaning they have to lower the bar for their new employees, which never translates to better service or even design.

As for dealers dreaming up fake charges - nothing new. They've been doing it for decades, the main difference is that EV's have different parts and dealers have not learned the new vocabulary yet, but stick with decades old habits and use old fake charges, so they get called out on it more often. I've had BS services suggested by dealers in the past, but back then you had to know the car to know they are BS. Applying ICE BS charges to EV's simply stands out more. I'm not defending dealers here by the way, just stating this is nothing new. I always had to do my own research and push back on BS services. This problem is also not unique to Porsche or even high end cars, Toyota and Honda do it too.

You are also correct that Taycan has little competition today, same reason why I exclusively drove Model S's for almost a decade - could not find any good alternative until Taycan CT came along.

 

[f1eng]

My next car will be a low priced disposable so I can just throw it away and start over.

This has been my approach for years and buying the Porsche is a deviation from it I hope I don't regret.
Will it be like my classics which still work fine at 25 and 30 years old or will some electronic part no longer be available?
OTOH I am 72 so I myself am unlikly to be working fine in 25 to 30 years either.

 

[tomtom901]

OTOH I am 72 so I myself am unlikly to be working fine in 25 to 30 years either.

At least you’re the cool grandpa on the block with a Taycan

 

[B61]

Where did Porsche ever say the Taycan’s range was 320 miles?

Well, on Porsche official site i see the following for CT4;
a. WLTP: 389-456km
b. town: 463-541km
c. outside (whatever it means): 360km.

since we do know what WLTP means and i dont believe in “b”, i should be probably happy with my 375 (c)?
Actually, i don’t care, i rather enjoy driving…. I’m just asking, why range prediction changed so much (from 420 down to 370 or so) after uPdate?

 

[f1eng]

At least you’re the cool grandpa on the block with a Taycan

It is the Ferrari 355 spider everybody wants a ride in!

 

[B61]

There is a Porsche brand tax that placed on their cars and you have to suspend the concept of "value".
The Taycan is the best EV out there, but you have to pay that tax.

You can't compare feature to feature with other OEMs.
On a spreadsheet a Model S and the Lucid are far superior and cheaper.
Once you drive them, the clear winner is the Taycan

+1.

 

[B61]

You’re talking about the concept car? That’s irrelevant.

Yes, it’s irrelevant, but as i just wrote: they are still talking about over 400km…even over 500.

 

[B61]

It is the Ferrari 355 spider everybody wants a ride in!

And you said that you were buying low-cost, disposable cars?

 

[f1eng]

And you said that you were buying low-cost, disposable cars?

As daily drivers, yes.
The Merc 500E was the last expensive daily driver I had and since it is rare and I like it I have kept it, but plan to sell it to a collector soon but I need to transfer my "cherished" registration to a Prius first.
The post-124 Mercs were either too ugly or too unreliable for me to consider and I got used to a cheap daily driver being fine 95% of the time.

 

[B61]

I know, i was just kidding since you mentioned F355.

 

[Scandinavian]

Well, on Porsche official site i see the following for CT4;
a. WLTP: 389-456km
b. town: 463-541km
c. outside (whatever it means): 360km.

since we do know what WLTP means and i dont believe in “b”, i should be probably happy with my 375 (c)?
Actually, i don’t care, i rather enjoy driving…. I’m just asking, why range prediction changed so much (from 420 down to 370 or so) after uPdate?

Yes it is surprising that you noticed such a drop after the uPdate. And it has not begun to increase after driving for some distance either?

I can not see the figures you have quoted above for range in the french website. I found a range for consumption though and the was between 21.4 to 24.8 kWh/100 km. That would equal 391 to 337 km range with the 83.7 net battery. So your car would perform as expected now. Quite different to what you experienced earlier.

I also played around a bit with the simulator for range on that site for my own car. At different temperatures as well as different roads, urban, national roads and motorways etc. Fascinating how much difference the different air conditioner levels make! Switching from A/C to ECO+ gave more range than changing from 21 inch to 20 inch wheels At 20C temperture.

My actual range with the car came quite close to the simulator for motorway driving. And long trips on motorways is what I mainly use the car for. It is too large and wide for our roads locally and a pain to git into the parking spaces. All designed and dimensioned for small french cars.

 

[AlexR]

8,000 miles in on a 2022 Taycan Turbo and no issues. Spotify can be slow but that's it.

Hmmm well apart from the fact that it occasionally slips into neutral in slow moving traffic. But that's it.

Well, apart from it occasionally switching itself back on after I've gotten out of the car, but she's just keen for another drive. But that really is it.

 

[Scandinavian]

All new tech has teething problems. Tesla has had many problems, but they were the new kid on the block and during times where there was no shortages of cars, so they had to earn it, and they did, with stellar service. Once the model 3's came our such service was no longer sustainable

I expected a number of teething problems with a new model. And I had followed Tesla journey with issues as well. But I did not foresee that the car would spend so much time at the workshop the first year. Summarising the times it was there for diagnostics, waiting for parts brought the total to more that 14 weeks! And I tried to get Porsche to take back the car, which was refused!

I also bought one of the first Model3 here in France and that has done 35k km’s. Apart from shifting tyres and changing brake fluid and wiper blades, it has been without any issues. Again I guess most problems were ironed out in the US before any shipment to Europe. There have been a few recalls for checking things that meant bringing the car in, but they were handled within 2 - 3 hours while enjoying a lunch and some shopping. So mass production does not necessarily mean worse quality in use.

As for dealers dreaming up fake charges - nothing new. They've been doing it for decades, the main difference is that EV's have different parts and dealers have not learned the new vocabulary yet, but stick with decades old habits and use old fake charges, so they get called out on it more often. I've had BS services suggested by dealers in the past,

I guess I have been quite lucky over the years with service guys. we had a great relationship with both BMW, Aston Martin and Porsche over the years and did not have the negative experiences you describe. Yes they were normal ICE cars but they never tried things on. The closest I came to it was with Aston Martin, but with advice and support from an ex Aston development guy, it was never really tried on.
And I have never seen or experienced the practice youseem to hve in US, with dealers adding fancy admin charges?

I can also not say anything negative about the local service advisor, but he has his hands often tied by the Porsche dealer or importer. He knows it is wrong what is stated and tries his best to be fair and we come to an agreement.