We win again, new record by Turbo S lapping the Nurburgring

[Dee]

Porsche proudly declared today [August 19, 2023] that it set a new record for a production EV lapping the Nurburgring Nordschleife.

The YouTube vid in that link is from a year ago.
They must have been sleeping while writing that article...

 

[SergeyIndy]

The YouTube vid in that link is from a year ago.
They must have been sleeping while writing that article...

@Administrator, please remove this post as my source was not current that I was led to believe.

 

[feye]

The only real gain of modern Formula 1 cars today is in fuel consumption, an IC engined car with the same power would be about 150 to 200kg lighter and much faster probably with better racing (but would lose the big sponsorship the car companies are pouring in).

Interesting to see how new battery tech is pushing EV motor sport ahead.

 

[f1eng]

Interesting to see how new battery tech is pushing EV motor sport ahead.

Is it?
Historically it has been the crucible of motor sport which accelerates the technology.
If I were a battery scientist I would be using motor sport to quickly identify the most fruitful avenues of research and give speedy solutions due to the pressure of sport deadlines.

That is what happened with engines and turbochargers.

It is true that sometimes the best solution for racing is too expensive for production cars and either produces research (and success) in racing but is a dead end for production. Nowadays, with most of the money coming directly from the motor industry, such solutions tend to get banned.

The "best" part of the current F1 hybrid engines is the MGU-H. It recovers energy from the turbo to the battery by using the turbo to power a motor/generator rather than using a waste-gate and throwing the energy away. The motor/generator used in reverse spins up the turbo faster from a closed throttle almost eliminating turbo-lag.
It is far too expensive for all but the most expensive exotic supercars and has been banned from the next generation engines, and will be a big loss of performance overall.

 

[f1eng]

It might be significantly attributable to differences between the audio recordings, but the Taycan's tyres sound like they're taking a lot more punishment under braking and cornering, than those of the Rimac.

I suspect the Rimac driver isn't as good at keeping the chassis on its grip limit in corners as the Taycan driver. The Rimac lateral acceleration data was unimpressive IMO.

 

[rs38]

seems they are told to stay above the 7min

 

[feye]

Is it?

It is true that sometimes the best solution for racing is too expensive for production cars...

I think so.

Like the new battery tech for airplanes, I guess. But that's the way to improve the tech. Wasn't the whole point of motor sport to figure out the limits of tech way faster than what you can do in a large manufacturer setting?

The "best" part of the current F1 hybrid engines is the MGU-H. It recovers energy from the turbo to the battery by using the turbo to power a motor/generator rather than using a waste-gate and throwing the energy away. The motor/generator used in reverse spins up the turbo faster from a closed throttle almost eliminating turbo-lag.
It is far too expensive for all but the most expensive exotic supercars and has been banned from the next generation engines, and will be a big loss of performance overall.

Interesting, indeed! Even if it has not application for the car mass market, it is still a valid gain to know what is technically possible and it might find a valuable application somewhere else later on...

 

[f1eng]

Wasn't the whole point of motor sport to figure out the limits of tech way faster than what you can do in a large manufacturer setting?

The whole point of motor sport is to have fun.

If a car manufacturer gets involved it does give them a big incentive to speed up development way faster than normal production.

 

[Jenner]

Except the Model S Plaid is €1.900.000 cheaper than the Nevera.
That's pretty good for a family sedan vs a thoroughbred hypercar.

The better test will be the Roadster 2.0 @ ~$250,000 vs the 10x more expensive Nevera.

I am hoping (expecting?) the Roadster team at Tesla to have that as their benchmark.

 

[Edward]

That Nevera is just a beast. At basically triple the Taycan's hp. Insanity. The accel coming out of that first hairpin, holy sheeit.

Any bets whether the Mission X is a reskinned Rimac Nevera? (Which I know the Pinninfarina Battista has already done.)

 

[Dee]

The better test will be the Roadster 2.0 @ ~$250,000 vs the 10x more expensive Nevera.

I am hoping (expecting?) the Roadster team at Tesla to have that as their benchmark.

Keep on dreaming.
There's no place for a halo car at Tesla now that Chinese brands take over the EV market.
Tesla is already lowering prices in China, that's a sign you can't ignore.
Besides, the Cybertruck comes first, mules have been spotted already but the Roadster 2.0 is never been seen after the presentation, except you can put down a $50.000(!) deposit now...
Guess where that money goes?...
To the survival of Tesla.
Wake up, the Roadster will never be produced, especially now that Tesla has to produce some electric trucks as well...
It's getting out of control if you ask me...
But that's Elon Musk, the man who managed to put the value of Twitter in half...