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For half the price of a Taycan Sport Turismo, its a pretty compelling lower price alternative for those who can get one in their home markets ?
 

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How is he still on a waiting list for Taycan CT ?!?
 

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It looks like their styling studio is an AI bot with access to the Taycan Configurator.
It mixed a sport chrono with a cartoon character - it's your AI assistant (rotates its head too!). And of course it has a Sport Plus drive mode too.
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For half the price of a Taycan Sport Turismo, its a pretty compelling lower price alternative for those who can get one in their home markets ?
https://insideevs.com/photo/7442834/avatr-12-the-unveiling-in-munich/
I think that Porsche will be safe, at least for a while, but the likes of Nio and Avatr 12 will cause some serious issues for the likes of Ford and GM. The Chinese EVs are very much tech-forward and doing a great job improving their designs (nothing too original but great at imitating good designs from folks like Porsche). Based upon pics alone, I think I would rather drive a $65K Avatr 12 than a GM Celestiq (the $300K+ design abortion from Detroit). And don't even get me started on GM's lower end EVs, eg the soon to be released Blazer EV, which are nothing more than electrified versions of the cheap plastic crap-mobiles that GM has been producing for decades.
 

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For half the price of a Taycan Sport Turismo, its a pretty compelling lower price alternative for those who can get one in their home markets ?
It depends whether you think China is a trading partner or an authoritarian adversary with designs of world dominance.
 

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Gosh, where to start? I recently sat in one in a showroom.

seat too low, cannot adjust to sit comfortably
boring interior
endless anoying alarms of all the gadget tech stuff
quality on VW level
way too much copied from T junk
expensive with battery purchase

Therefore: overhyped and overpriced, so it does not sell too well in China...
 
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Gosh, where to start? I recently sat in one in a showroom.

seat too low, cannot adjust to sit comfortably
boring interior
endless anoying alarms of all the gadget tech stuff
quality on VW level
way too much copied from T junk
expensive with battery purchase

Therefore: overhyped and overpriced, so it does not sell too well in China...
Good to hear from someone who actually lives in China ??
 

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Watched the video, very impressive. Perhaps Porsche can rent one and learn some things, like how do software interface, app, or even just a backup camera with overhead view.
He's on the waiting list for a Sport Turismo GTS, those are much harder to come by in the US
Harder, yes. Impossible, no. Considering he makes his living in the internet car reviews, how did he not find one by now? Heck, just reading this forum, threads like this, there was at least one configurable ST allocation available this year. On top of that he has connections in PCNA, who could have helped him search which dealer has an allocation. It seem to me if he really wanted one, he would have had at least an allocation by now, not be on a waitlist. Perhaps he just likes to be able to say in his videos that he’s buying one.
 

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https://insideevs.com/photo/7442834/avatr-12-the-unveiling-in-munich/
I think that Porsche will be safe, at least for a while, but the likes of Nio and Avatr 12 will cause some serious issues for the likes of Ford and GM. The Chinese EVs are very much tech-forward and doing a great job improving their designs (nothing too original but great at imitating good designs from folks like Porsche). Based upon pics alone, I think I would rather drive a $65K Avatr 12 than a GM Celestiq (the $300K+ design abortion from Detroit). And don't even get me started on GM's lower end EVs, eg the soon to be released Blazer EV, which are nothing more than electrified versions of the cheap plastic crap-mobiles that GM has been producing for decades.
Meh, I put 150,000 miles on a second gen Chevy Avalanche without having to make a single repair, just tires and fluid changes. Best vehicle we’ve ever owned. Tahoe LTZ after that was equally bulletproof, though I didn’t keep it long term.
 

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Meh, I put 150,000 miles on a second gen Chevy Avalanche without having to make a single repair, just tires and fluid changes. Best vehicle we’ve ever owned. Tahoe LTZ after that was equally bulletproof, though I didn’t keep it long term.
I don't mean to insult every model that GM has ever produced (I actually owned a Cadillac ELR which I think was a great car for its time -- pity that they only sold about 3000 of them). For sure, GM, Ford etc. know how to make decent cars, but that old-school-Detroit-bean-counter-government-will-save-us mindset needs to go by the wayside or the Koreans (eventually followed by the Chinese) will step in to eat their lunches. On the subject of excessive plastic on American made cars, I have only one question: What stopped GM from covering the entire Avalanche in plastic, looks like they were on a roll. :p

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I don't mean to insult every model that GM has ever produced (I actually owned a Cadillac ELR which I think was a great car for its time -- pity that they only sold about 3000 of them). For sure, GM, Ford etc. know how to make decent cars, but that old-school-Detroit-bean-counter-government-will-save-us mindset needs to go by the wayside or the Koreans (eventually followed by the Chinese) will step in to eat their lunches. On the subject of excessive plastic on American made cars, I have only one question: What stopped GM from covering the entire Avalanche in plastic, looks like they were on a roll. :p

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That’s a Gen 1. I wouldn’t have touched one with a ten foot pole.

You want a piece of crap? The base Toyota Camry we bought our kids a few years back, that seemed like such a good car new, but turned into a total pile of dog shit. Talk about a cheap plasticky hunk of junk.
 

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That’s a Gen 1. I wouldn’t have touched one with a ten foot pole.

You want a piece of crap? The base Toyota Camry we bought our kids a few years back, that seemed like such a good car new, but turned into a total pile of dog shit. Talk about a cheap plasticky hunk of junk.
Little wonder about the camry. They are now "assembled" in Kentucky by "Pillbillies." Hard to focus on the Toyota Production System when workers are jacked up on crystal meth and Mountain Dew.
 
 
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