If you’re bored sometime - go test drive a Model 3

[Reg]

If you bored, you can also read about all the issues with the Plaid/refresh. I know that it isn't the same as the 3, but it shows that their software development is not nearly as good as thought.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-s-plaid-lr-2021-refresh-issues-thread.232656/

 

[feye]

If you bored, you can also read about all the issues with the Plaid/refresh. I know that it isn't the same as the 3, but it shows that their software development is not nearly as good as thought.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-s-plaid-lr-2021-refresh-issues-thread.232656/

Sorry, I cannot read more than 2 pages, this is worse than my 6 year old MS90D.

 

[Chas1]

I just don't like it, both inside and outside.
I'm not interested in a Tesla, never been, never will.
Had a i3 for years and had so much fun, totally unique car, excellent quality, remote control works very well.
All carbon fiber monocoque, that is so cool, very light for an EV and therefore very efficient!
Brilliant piece of engineering, bold design and drives brilliantly which you wouldn't expect from it's shape...
RWD and corners like a rabbit, very impressive.
Remember, this car is already 8 years old...

I had an early i3 with range extender. Truly innovative. And fun to drive. Great for narrow U.K. roads. I’m not into Tesla’s design though Model S is ok, it’s as expensive as the base Taycan with too few colours and poor interior choices. Whether you love it or not Models S is unavailable until probably middle of 2022 in the U.K.

 

[Chas1]

People liken Tesla's to Ikea as a way of cheapening them, when in reality it should be compared to solid high-end minimalist furniture. The minimalist interior wasn't done as a cost cutting measure but as part of the design (which is clearly not for everyone). If anyone here watches Sandy Munro's teardown video's, you'll see Tesla hasn't cheaped out when engineering the car, the car is very much unlike Ikea.

There are many parallels one could draw when it comes to industrial/minimalist design and how much harder it is to design something that looks simple. There's typically a premium for this type of design, but again, it's not for everyone. Some people like ornate furniture or lots of buttons on their devices and so on. Pros and cons to each, but it's definitely not an indication of poor/low-end quality.

Anyway, let's all be happy we live in a world (and have the means) where we have options. At the very least, whether members here like Tesla or not, undoubtedly the competition is great for all of us.

And maybe we should acknowledge that without Tesla would we have the Taycan at all ???

 

[FrozenRobert]

And maybe we should acknowledge that without Tesla would we have the Taycan at all ???

+1 ... there IS that, agreed. Absolutely not a Tesla fan but I'll give them credit for being innovative and a 'disrupter'.

However, back to the OP's statement: yes I'd book a Tesla test-drive on a lazy Saturday afternoon. Did that myself last month. Interesting experience, to be diplomatic.

Then I drove right down the road to the Porsche dealership...

 

[Reg]

And maybe we should acknowledge that without Tesla would we have the Taycan at all ???

Nope. Without government mandates and penalties and without the efforts of Wan Gang, the taycan would have arrive later. But Porsche knew of the potential of EVs over 10 years ago when they started development of the 918

 

[feye]

And maybe we should acknowledge that without Tesla would we have the Taycan at all ???

No, because it is not true!

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/vaporware-salesman-elon.5577/post-78627

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...yone-tempted-by-model-s-plaid.5423/post-75113

 

[Dee]

And maybe we should acknowledge that without Tesla would we have the Taycan at all ???

Not really.
It's cuz of the invention of Lipos that EVs became a business case and usable in every days life.
Second, we had a time where the environment became more important and BEVs are contributing to that, kind of....
So, Tesla jumped on the train and it was the time and technology available that made them successful.
Is it vision or is it just pure luck?
Take into account that subsides helped a lot to adapt the EV and you see why Tesla is successful.
They were there at the right time, I'll give you that.
Also, I can't deny there are a lot of smart people working at Tesla's and their products are great especially if you think they had to start from scratch.
But other than that it doesn't do it for me.

 

[Kingske]

Not really.
It's cuz of the invention of Lipos that EVs became a business case and usable in every days life.
Second, we had a time where the environment became more important and BEVs are contributing to that, kind of....
So, Tesla jumped on the train and it was the time and technology available that made them successful.
Is it vision or is it just pure luck?
Take into account that subsides helped a lot to adapt the EV and you see why Tesla is successful.
They were there at the right time, I'll give you that.
Also, I can't deny there are a lot of smart people working at Tesla's and their products are great especially if you think they had to start from scratch.
But other than that it doesn't do it for me.

Well, they may indeed not really have invented much, but we have to acknowledge that they were an early adopter which went all-in and took an enormous risk doing so while legacy car manufacturers did not dare to gamble their vested interest in a meaningful way. As such, they validated the EV proof-of-principle and opened the market for all manufacturers. Tesla was rewarded for it rationally (high market share in a rapidly expanding market) and irrationally (a nonsensical share price). Even though I am unlikely to buy a Tesla anytime soon for all the reasons listed by other forum members, I do respect them as a company for the risk they took and the economic position they achieved. I have a little less respect for some of their hyperbolic statements which range from the silly/innocent (unbreakable glass in their pick-up truck) to the misleadingly dangerous (using the term Full Self Driving).

 

[FrozenRobert]

I just have to let this out: <ahem> I just found the Tesla to be surprisingly coarse, unrefined, loud (road noise), cheap (interior), unintutitive, and totally un-fun to drive. And did I mention the interior? I felt like I was in a plasticky concept car ... like an iPad had a love-child with a 1985 Corolla. Ugh.

Also, the salesperson (from corporate) was so intoxicated about his product I actually thought he was in a cult. "Kool-aid? Um, thanks -- I'm not THAT thirsty."

There, I'm done. Don't mean to offend anyone, it's all personal preference. Me -- I prefer a modern automobile that is a pleasure to drive, not a plasticky rolling bubble PS4 with NetFlix.

 

[FrozenRobert]

That being said, I would also happily take up the OP's suggestion and test-drive an iD4, or an i-PACE, etc. because I try to have an open mind. And it's fun to see what other car makers are getting into.

 

[feye]

Is it vision or is it just pure luck?

Maybe neither. This TED talk "The single biggest reason why start-ups succeed | Bill Gross" explains that timing seems to be by far the most important factor. Do we remember the Audi Duo 1990?

Simply ZERO interest. Could not sell it at the time.

 

[feye]

Well, they may indeed not really have invented much, but we have to acknowledge that they were an early adopter which went all-in and took an enormous risk...

So far only shareholders took any risk, right? Let's face it, we live in a world of massive central bank money oversupply and a never ending string of "big stock scams". Will T end up on this list, who knows...

 

[Dee]

Maybe neither. This TED talk "The single biggest reason why start-ups succeed | Bill Gross" explains that timing seems to be by far the most important factor. Do we remember the Audi Duo 1990?

Simply ZERO interest. Could not sell it at the time.

Well, timing is vision.
When all pieces fell together it became a succes.
Many others have tried but it wasn't the right time.
It was just a matter of time and the right time.
The 2008 Roadster wasn't such a big succes after all...
It almost went wrong with the Model S in 2012/2013 due to delivering too...
And let's not forget, behind the hyperbolic Tesla talk, the company still doesn't make any profit on their cars if you take away the CO2 quota selling...

Anyway, I'm just glad Tesla was there cuz it surely helped to get better cars and now that I think of it: I've never been that fond on American products.

 

[feye]

Well, timing is vision.

Maybe, or just luck!

„Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen.“ Helmut Schmidt, 1980