Glad to be done with Porsche and Taycan

[B61]

Yes it is surprising that you noticed such a drop after the uPdate. And it has not begun to increase after driving for some distance either?

I can not see the figures you have quoted above for range in the french website. I found a range for consumption though and the was between 21.4 to 24.8 kWh/100 km. That would equal 391 to 337 km range with the 83.7 net battery. So your car would perform as expected now. Quite different to what you experienced earlier.

I also played around a bit with the simulator for range on that site for my own car. At different temperatures as well as different roads, urban, national roads and motorways etc. Fascinating how much difference the different air conditioner levels make! Switching from A/C to ECO+ gave more range than changing from 21 inch to 20 inch wheels At 20C temperture.

My actual range with the car came quite close to the simulator for motorway driving. And long trips on motorways is what I mainly use the car for. It is too large and wide for our roads locally and a pain to git into the parking spaces. All designed and dimensioned for small french cars.

Nope, no increase after uPdate, made almost three months ago.
Also, since last week, i’m on 20” winter tyres, no difference yet.
On the other hand, my overall consumption is still 19,1 kwh/100km …and about 20 from charging to charging and that;s why i’m not concerned at all.

 

[Finbo]

Still waiting for even a hint that my CTS4 is getting it’s batteries since built on July22 so I looked at a i4M50 that my local dealer has had a cancellation on and could get in 2-3 weeks. The PCP quoted was scary poor so will stick with my order. If it arrives in Dec will take ownership in 23.
Just as an aside on colours on another thread, I can’t remember the interior I’ve picked unless I look spec sheet ?, could be an age thing

 

[epirali]

that is debatable, I am very pleased with my Ipace. it has a great ride, it is quite peppy and handles quite well. it's only issue is it is hampered by slow charging

I'll second I-Pace and throw in the Audi E-Tron GT (the sister car). Yes same basics but different in tuning and interior/infotainment. It has a few quirks (some parallel to Porsche) but my experience with Audi overall has been positive over the years.

 

[BMonte13]

Are you sure it's not a rattle coming from the underside of the lower touch screen in the console, as I've seen reported here somewhere that it goes away after some driving in the morning (sorry I cannot find the post).

Could be

 

[Archimedes]

Well, on Porsche official site i see the following for CT4;
a. WLTP: 389-456km
b. town: 463-541km
c. outside (whatever it means): 360km

I believe the OP is in the US. EPA range for the 4CT is 235 miles. If the OP thought they were going to get 320 miles, they simply didn’t do their research. That’s on them.

 

[B61]

I believe the OP is in the US. EPA range for the 4CT is 235 miles. If the OP thought they were going to get 320 miles, they simply didn’t do their research. That’s on them.

Why would have Taycans for US market different range/specs than Taycans in Eu?

 

[EdwinT]

Owner of a Cross Turismo Cherry Red since september. The previous owner bought in december 2021 and when i Bought it it had only 4500 km driven. I added 2500 km now.

The car recently had its uPdate and it looks like there is a little more range allthough with temperature dropping its hard to compare. The service and communication of the Porsche dealer was great, with a nice loaner (Macan).

I have looked at the available EV’s outthere but i couldn’t find one with the same handling. Tesla would be a logical choice but the way these cars a build is just awful. Of course there will be issues, all cars have them sooner or later. Havent had a car without It.

Others will be more efficient / longer range, probably cheaper. But this was not an “Excel” buy, this was one from passion, having a smile when you drive it.

For every negative story there are dozens positive so let’s see how it runs for the next years and if i can keep up my smile

Cheers Edwin

 

[Scandinavian]

Why would have Taycans for US market different range/specs than Taycans in Eu?

The US range is EPA and the EU range is WLPT. They are quite different and both probably in no way reflecting the user experience at all. In the US it seems the car is overperforming against EPA range and in EU underperforming against WLTP.

Understanding these different test procedures is probably like opening a can of worms.

 

[backslashed]

Sorry to freak you out. Porsche doesn’t make junk. Just don’t expect perfection. Keeping your expectations measured and your wallet ready is key to enjoyment.

Keep your wallet ready? Why? The car has full warranty. You should not have to pay for anything regardless of what happens.

 

[Mr.Smith]

The US range is EPA and the EU range is WLPT. They are quite different and both probably in no way reglecting the user experience at all. In the US it seems the car is overperforming against EPA range and in EU underperforming against WLTP.

Understanding these different test procedures is probably like opening a can of worms.

WLTP is overly optimistic, EPA under promises.
Unless you're Tesla that promotes unreasonable EPA ratings that are never achieved and ruins the publics perception of what range should be

 

[Scandinavian]

Keep your wallet ready? Why? The car has full warranty. You should not have to pay for anything regardless of what happens.

Correct for the car under the warranty period.

But wait until you do the first service at 30k km or 2years. And when you need extra tpms sensors or new tyres. Hopefully you will also avoid all potholes that can knock your alignment out of shape?

 

[backslashed]

Correct for the car under the warranty period.

But wait until you do the first service at 30k km or 2years. And when you need extra tpms sensors or new tyres. Hopefully you will also avoid all potholes that can knock your alignment out of shape?

You can extend your warranty up to 8 years and if tyre expenses and TPMS sensors are really money issues then why even drive this car?

 

[Scandinavian]

WLTP is overly optimistic, EPA under promises.
Unless you're Tesla that promotes unreasonable EPA ratings that are never achieved and ruins the publics perception of what range should be

There has been a few tests, both summer and winter test done in Norway. All cars are fully charged and then driven until they stop. And need to be taken on a flat bed. Quite a deviation from the WLTP figures, but one of the few tests done at the same time and the same route.

The Taycan 4CT was some 11% lower actual range than WLTP, while the Tesla model Y actually performed quite well. The other disappointment went to several Mercedes models

https://www.arenaev.com/summer_range_test_naf_no-news-350.php

 

[Mr.Smith]

There has been a few tests, both summer and winter test done in Norway. All cars are fully charged and then driven until they stop. And need to be taken on a flat bed. Quite a deviation from the WLTP figures, but one of the few tests done at the same time and the same route.

The Taycan 4CT was some 11% lower actual range than WLTP, while the Tesla model Y actually performed quite well. The other disappointment went to several Mercedes models

https://www.arenaev.com/summer_range_test_naf_no-news-350.php

I've never met anyone that got close to the EPA rating of their Telsa

Here is a good report for EPA ratings. Porsche out performed EPA

https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/

 

[JimBob]

The problem is that the EPA test is not well understood and can be gamed. From the EPA procedure below there are optional correction factors (and two methodologies). In particular look at the 70% correction factor example for highway driving. So you shouldn't compare the EPA range rating with the range you will actually get at constant highway speeds in warm weather.

You will get better real world estimates from Tom and Kyle and outfits like Edmonds. Also Kyle produced a video of testing (WLPT) which shows the actual procedure.



Range Testing for Electric Vehicles
An all-electric vehicle (EV) produces no smog-forming or greenhouse gas emissions from its tailpipe. For EVs, vehicle testing provides important label information, such as fuel economy and range.

For EV range testing:

1. A vehicle with a fully charged battery is driven continuously over the EPA city cycle until the battery is depleted and the vehicle can drive no further. The distance driven is recorded. This is repeated, again starting with a full charge, over the EPA highway cycle, again recording the distance driven when the battery is depleted. This “single cycle” test consists of multiple repeat drives of the city or highway cycle.
2. Automakers also have the option of doing a multi-cycle test, which consists of four city cycles, two highway cycles, and two constant speed cycles.*
3. All testing is done in a laboratory on a dynamometer.
4. The city and highway driving ranges determined from this testing are adjusted to account for real-world factors that are not represented on the laboratory test procedures. These factors include such things the impact of air conditioning, of cold temperatures, and of high speed and aggressive driving behavior. Although the regulations allow some optional approaches, the most common approach is to use a factor of 0.7 to adjust all the test parameters, including range. For example:
   • An EV achieves 200 miles on the highway laboratory test. Real-world highway driving range → 200 x 0.7 = 140 miles to account for aggressive driving and HVAC use.
5. The adjusted city and highway range values are weighted together by 55% and 45%, respectively, to determine the combined city and highway driving range that appears on the EPA fuel economy label. For example:
   • Assume an adjusted city range of 168 miles and an adjusted highway range of 140 (from example above). The official combined range value → (0.55 x 168) + (0.45 x 140) = 155 miles (values are rounded to the nearest whole number).

Specific details on testing can be found in EPA regulations at 40 CFR 600.116-12 - Special procedures related to electric vehicles and hybrid electric vehicles. For more information on the other acceptable (“optional”) approaches, visit 40 CFR 600.210-12 Calculation of fuel economy and CO2 emission values for labeling.