Anyone going back to a Tesla?

[BMonte13]

Fake news. RWD PB+ AND 20 inch turbo aeros. That combo would have the highest range in the entire line-up.

300+ ACTUAL miles on a full charge -real world owner of a RWD PB+ with 20 inch wheels

 

[Chas1]

300+ ACTUAL miles on a full charge -real world owner of a RWD PB+ with 20 inch wheels

Never really considered Tesla. Poor quality cabin and models S & X no longer made in RHD. Weird decision by Tesla excluding a significant market. All the better for Porsche!

 

[Fish Fingers]

I am thinking the OP may have written that only post and gone straight out and bought a Tesla.

Or something else has happened.....

 

[SergeyIndy]

OP disappeared for sure but this is a fun topic that just keeps going on its own with my post #79 and zero replies from the OP to an obviously bogus range statement. I have never owned a Tesla or any other EV before the Taycan, but if this article here below is half true, specific to Tesla build quality and servicing, there is no way I can deal with all the issues they are talking about. My dealer is outstanding in every way, and I get same day service if I wanted to, they go above and beyond to source parts, guarantee a loaner, and get me discounts, and they are 15 min away.

Just ordered a MY24 Macan GTS for my wife and they got me August build slot (they trade allocations for customers like myself) and October delivery, is that even real? My SA said EV demand is dead and ICE demand is through the roof, well my wife's 8 year old Macan got claimed at 30% premium after a few texts to people I know, insane.

Tesla owners share some of the unexpected headaches of owning the EV

 

[f1eng]

My biggest grip is software, I can't believe how far behind they are after 3 years of major annual updates

Depends what you mean about software.

IMO the Porsche software is on a different planet to Tesla who still haven’t got an acceptable level of blending regenerative and disc braking by software. You end up with the trivial one-pedal driving method being touted as superior. Admittedly what Porsche have done so well is very difficult and they had the winning LeMans 919 hybrid software as a basis whereas Tesla have nothing and zero experience of this level of sophistication.

If you are impressed by fart cushions and being able to watch films while you charge your car or unlock it with a phone I can see the Porsche may seem a bit behind but please don’t consider this being “behind” in terms of actual car software.

The difficult and sophisticated car control software is where the Taycan is way better.

This is IMO of course, and the screen candy and gadget side is of little interest to me so not having it at all, ever, wouldn’t upset me.

 

[4424]

Depends what you mean about software.

IMO the Porsche software is on a different planet to Tesla who still haven’t got an acceptable level of blending regenerative and disc braking by software. You end up with the trivial one-pedal driving method being touted as superior. Admittedly what Porsche have done so well is very difficult and they had the winning LeMans 919 hybrid software as a basis whereas Tesla have nothing and zero experience of this level of sophistication.

If you are impressed by fart cushions and being able to watch films while you charge your car or unlock it with a phone I can see the Porsche may seem a bit behind but please don’t consider this being “behind” in terms of actual car software.

The difficult and sophisticated car control software is where the Taycan is way better.

This is IMO of course, and the screen candy and gadget side is of little interest to me so not having it at all, ever, wouldn’t upset me.

I love one pedal driving. Again, you get the benefits of both worlds, if you like it, you can use it and if you don't you have options for that too. But by software, I meant UI/profile/charging related things. It's true that Porsche is a car making trying to make software and Tesla is a software maker trying to make a car. It's clear that Porsche builds a better car and Tesla makes better software...

 

[f1eng]

I love one pedal driving. Again, you get the benefits of both worlds, if you like it, you can use it and if you don't you have options for that too. But by software, I meant UI/profile/charging related things. It's true that Porsche is a car making trying to make software and Tesla is a software maker trying to make a car. It's clear that Porsche builds a better car and Tesla makes better software...

I don’t agree.

I think the driving evidence is that Porsche produce MUCH better car software.

The power steering is way better, the multi mode suspension is much better, the brake regen/disc blending is way better (whether you like 1 pedal driving or not) AFAIK Tesla don’t even do it perhaps because they have so far failed to write good enough software to achieve it acceptably well.

Your view is a much touted one, and if you think the UI/profile/ICE etc stuff is more important than the control software for the car - like so many people on the internet seem to - then fine.

But that doesn’t mean in the most important aspects for a car the Porsche is behind, because that is evidently bollox if you have driven one.

 

[4424]

I don’t agree.

I think the driving evidence is that Porsche produce MUCH better car software.

The power steering is way better, the multi mode suspension is much better, the brake regen/disc blending is way better (whether you like 1 pedal driving or not) AFAIK Tesla don’t even do it perhaps because they have so far failed to write good enough software to achieve it acceptably well.

Your view is a much touted one, and if you think the UI/profile/ICE etc stuff is more important than the control software for the car - like so many people on the internet seem to - then fine.

But that doesn’t mean in the most important aspects for a car the Porsche is behind, because that is evidently bollox if you have driven one.

I agree the car drives great (and better than Tesla) but that doesn't excuse their awful UI. The camera isn't usable, I shouldn't have to select the drive mode, suspension mode, reg mode, sound mode every time I get in the car. That should be a simple fix to add to your profile that hasn't been done after 3 years of major software updates.

I know the Porsche cult doesn't care about autopilot, but if you take the Porsche on a long drive on the highway, it doesn't matter how the car handles on long straight roads....I want some sort of autopilot which Tesla is 5-7 years ahead of Porsche on. I refuse to take the Taycan on long drives from DC>NY and back because it doesn't have any form of usable autopilot.

Again, the software just isn't there for the user experience (IMO).

We'll have to agree to disagree because we both have different priorities. If I were tracking my car I would agree with you, but 95% of the Taycan owners aren't...

 

[f1eng]

We'll have to agree to disagree because we both have different priorities. If I were tracking my car I would agree with you, but 95% of the Taycan owners aren't...

I wouldn’t track such a heavy car myself.
The roads around here are nothing like most I’ve driven on in the US either so my requirements are different to what may be typically wanted in your country.

I understood the default start setup is a legal requirement to be “as tested” for some governments, but I don’t know which country(s). Luckily for me after 6 months I find the defaults to be my favourite settings anyway so nothing to change for me.

I am happy to agree to disagree
I hate even adaptive cruise control interfering with me, never mind any sort of auto-pilot and was delighted to find the Taycan could be specced without - most cars impose it on you these days.

 

[gnop1950]

I'm in the "never would have bought a Tesla in the first place group" I looked at Teslas several years ago, and was less than impressed with the diving, looks, and particularly the interior.

I wanted a Porsche and if I hadn't driven a Taycan would likely have purchased a 911. If I were to become disillusioned with my Taycan for some reason the most likely outcome would be for me to purchase a 911 or trade-in for the new 718 EV but I imagine the wait for those will be incredibly long.

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

I agree the car drives great (and better than Tesla) but that doesn't excuse their awful UI. The camera isn't usable, I shouldn't have to select the drive mode, suspension mode, reg mode, sound mode every time I get in the car. That should be a simple fix to add to your profile that hasn't been done after 3 years of major software updates.

I know the Porsche cult doesn't care about autopilot, but if you take the Porsche on a long drive on the highway, it doesn't matter how the car handles on long straight roads....I want some sort of autopilot which Tesla is 5-7 years ahead of Porsche on. I refuse to take the Taycan on long drives from DC>NY and back because it doesn't have any form of usable autopilot.

Again, the software just isn't there for the user experience (IMO).

We'll have to agree to disagree because we both have different priorities. If I were tracking my car I would agree with you, but 95% of the Taycan owners aren't...

In the end you agreed that you meant “user experience” when you said “software”, and that “better” meant “more to your liking” as opposed to, say, “more sophisticated” or “higher quality”.

It’s entirely your prerogative to prefer Tesla cars for any of their aspects, but claiming Porsche doesn’t do software (and that we somehow accept it because we’re in a cult) only serves to highlight your unfamiliarity with the subject.

 

[WattTurbo]

I love one pedal driving. Again, you get the benefits of both worlds, if you like it, you can use it and if you don't you have options for that too.

My son has this settings turned down to the lowest setting in his M3, and when I release the go pedal, it still slows down very, very fast. So, in essence, you can't turn it off.

Also, on your previous post, you said why it takes 2 seconds to open the garage door with Homelink, mine definitely takes at most 1 second...I actually tested it after reading your comment. To me, the dash, the screen, and how the Taycan drives is very similar to an ICE, which is exactly how I prefer it. Tesla has no dash, and just an "ipad" in the middle screams budget vehicles. My son bought is as his daily, and I can see it works great for that...a low cost efficient vehicle that he gets him from point A to point B.

I do agree about the camera, but part of it is the screen on the M3 is much bigger than on the Taycan. But, luckily, I only drive in reverse less than 1% of the time...

 

[Scandinavian]

I know the Porsche cult doesn't care about autopilot, but if you take the Porsche on a long drive on the highway, it doesn't matter how the car handles on long straight roads....I want some sort of autopilot which Tesla is 5-7 years ahead of Porsche on. I refuse to take the Taycan on long drives from DC>NY and back because it doesn't have any form of usable autopilot.

I have a different view. I have a model 3 from 2019 with basic autopilot! Maybe there is another version apart from FSD, which I have no interest in.

The Taycans Innodrive is much much better than Tesla basic autopilot. You can indicate, change lanes without the autopilot disengaging. It drives the car much smoother both when accelerating as well as when catching up other traffic. It slows down ( a tad too much maybe) at roundabouts and motorway exits, which my Tesla does not do.

And most important of all! I have NOT one single time had any of Teslas famous Phantom braking events in the Porsche! None.

Even other Tesla drivers that have tested the Innodrive have commented on how smooth and well the the Taycan operates.

The PCM. Backup camera and map updates etc is a long long way behind Tesla, but the essential driving SW is much better as @f1eng staed above.

One pedal driving is probably the best marketing solution I have ever heard of to cover up a massive shortcoming.

 

[andyd]

My first 4S used to do 130 to 140 in the winter. Got better after an upgrade. New this month 4S miles better range, although haven't hit winter yet

Turbo does 200-210 in the winter 250-270 miles in the summer. Sounds like a fault.

 

[SHM]

Yes, will go back to Tesla.
But I am waiting to see the refresh of the Model 3, I hope they refresh it to get the same rear hatch as the Y/S/X. And hope they bring tow hith for refresh 3 Performance. I want the practicality of the Y Performance (but less size). So I want tow + roof rack.

Hope they also increase accelleration in the 3P refresh.
I know it is stated that they want to make the Model 3 even cheaper in project highland, but I imagine that means structural battery packs and other stuff that have been started on the Y (gigacastings etc).

Price is not most important, but I had a 3P, also had X, S and YP and I most liked the 3P size.. But could even own an even smaller performance car. Luxury isnt really that imporant for me, gokart is more fun. So I would ditch my taycan for it.