Interesting pricing in CH and I totally agree, no way I'd get a base Taycan over Model S Plaid.
In euro the Plaid is 110.000 in Belgium
I came back into the Porsche driving experience with Taycan Turbo CT which I love (switching out of 2015 Ludicrous Model S 4S just felt too underpowered, GTS was not available but I suspect it would also feel lacking). That said, I loved all our 4 Model S prior to that. I would have gone Plaid at least while waiting for the Taycan, but for the yoke (rounded or not). I absolutely watch what I spend my money on, but I can afford good products. Seeing all the new EV's showing up on the market right now, Porsche will have to step up its game or it's no longer worth the Porsche premium for the best product. Porsche selling today's Taycan in 4 years would be like Ferrari trying to sell to sell a Ferrari 308 GTS today - great looking car but while amazing tech for the 80's, by today's standards it is a slow car. Unless of course Porsche wants to get into brand new vintage car market.
I can vouch for part of this. I’m in Cassis at the moment having come down through France for the rugby and it’s been utterly seamless. Endless amounts of IONITY chargers and always available and fast. As for some of the big IONITY stations, just wow! No great surprises that the car itself is a very amiable companion on the autoroutes and twisty roads alike.
A slow car? Analogous to 40+ year old technology? Do you read the nonsense you type?
Yet it does. And they keep making money hand over fist.
You should change your profile location to "17 Mile Drive".
The air suspension and the hatch would be the only reason to go for a model S over 3 for my use. A model 3 performance cross Turismo with air suspension for 65.000.
I think that is very unfair as a comment.A slow car? Analogous to 40+ year old technology? Do you read the nonsense you type?
You’re the biggest troll on this forum. Do you get a monthly check from Tesla?
Fair enough, although we don't have roundabouts in US, we have stop signs...
I admire Tesla for how they revolutionized Automotive industry. But they also screwed up average people's perception in a very particular way. Now people calling a Taycan 4S an "underpowered" car, OMG. This alternative reality exists today only because of Tesla's existential play. Tesla had to justify a high price tag for a car otherwise would not be worth in the eyes of the customers, because they had to cover the disproportionately high battery cost of an EV. So they found a clever way of doing that, simply put very powerful motors in their cars without going through any of other more costly aspects of creating a true performance car (chasis, suspension, steering, bakes etc etc)- in their minds this was a low cost & clever way of justifying a 6 figure price tag for the average consumer out there who is not familiar with what it takes to design & manufacture a fine performance car. Because for an average person the only reason Ferrari's are so expensive "must be because of their pretty impressive 0-60 times". That wrong perception was partly because other manufacturers did not exactly do what Tesla did in the ICE world. GM for example could easily throw a 500 hp old block V8 into a Chevy malibu or maybe even supercharge it to 650hp with stock steering brakes and suspension, give it a Ferrari like 0-60 time and sell it for $50K. And maybe people would then say "Ferrari really needs up their game as their cars are too slow in this new world". But that did not happen because of various reasons. But Tesla took the "shortcut" (and I don't blame them they had to, to survive) -- but then it truly distorted the mindsets out there. When I bought my RWD one friend told me "why did not you pay 20K more and buy a Plaid!? - and believe it or not Plaid had a 130K sticker at that time - thank god i did not. Somehow 0-60 times became the "main valuation point" for justifying a price tag for a car - as if that was the ONLY engineering problem the whole industry was trying to crack the whole time. "why would you pay 6 figures for a car that does not do 0-60 in sub 4 sec?" - well in fact you could come up with infinite number of similar arguments for a plaid "why in the heck you would pay 6 figures for a car that takes more wind and road noise than a Toyota Camry on the highway? and feels like a mid-class sedan in 90% of the driving experience". But no nothing else mattered, because to the average person the most costly or difficult part of making a car "must be" giving it a low 0-60
- Tesla smartly exploited that uneducated perception. Taycan 4S has WAY more power than needed in any enthusiastic driving scenario, more power would be just marginal/fun factor improvement, but people now feel it is "underpowered" simply because a Tesla Model S exists. A Tesla Model S on the other hand had critical deficiencies in dynamism, brakes, suspension, steering precision that needed to be addressed way before throwing more power into it. As a "performance vehicle" It was an "imbalanced" engineering product from beginning and Plaid made it even more imbalanced. But interestingly being used as a "benchmark" in criticizing other vehicles. I am not a Tesla hater by any means. It changed the world. But I am not a fan of their "shortcut" strategy setting a benchmark for fine performance vehicle engineering out there.
Let's be honest, not many people are driving a Model S to the limit to cook the brakes.
