Rivian adopting Tesla NACS charging standard!

[Administrator]

? Rivian Announces Adoption of Tesla NACS Standard!
-- via Rivianforums

 

[daveo4EV]

eMail sent to customer's this morning (and those w/orders)

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...the-physcial-design.16080/page-14#post-249465

 

[fullmetalbaal]

OK, Porsche, your turn!

 

[daveo4EV]

Adapter is included for existing CCS Rivian customer "for free" - I guess it's affordable to do that when you've only shipped like 37 vehicle's to end users…

 

[DanK]

Hah, they must have sold all 37 to folks on my commute. I swear I see 10-15 each way.

 

[bsclywilly]

Same day announcement, the govs are getting on board with NACS too, starting with Texas.

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...rging-stations-include-tesla-plug-2023-06-20/

 

[tigerbalm]

Same day announcement, the govs are getting on board with NACS too, starting with Texas.

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...rging-stations-include-tesla-plug-2023-06-20/

Includes picture of European Tesla with CCS socket – thereby confusing the entire thing!

Duh!

 

[bsclywilly]

Includes picture of European Tesla with CCS socket – thereby confusing the entire thing!

Duh!

Lol. They figured Americans couldn't be confused more with plug standards, so...whateva!

 

[Deleted member 6348]

Ford, GM, and now Rivian strike a deal with Tesla for Supercharger access with an adapter for current owners and will include the NACS port on new vehicles in the years ahead.

https://electrek.co/2023/06/20/rivi...l-offer-tesla-supercharger-access-to-drivers/

Every current American EV automaker has declared support for the standard. Stellantis (Dodge, RAM, Jeep) hasn’t made an announcement yet, but they are also last US automaker to the table with EVs.

It will be interesting to see if Hyundai and VAG take the plunge here. Given the broad support, it’s hard for me to imagine an EV automaker, in the US market, to be competitive in the years ahead without NACS. CCS isn’t going away anytime soon, but in five years or so, it may be going the way of Chademo here.

I am no Tesla fanboy, but this consolidation and uniting around a single standard is happening faster than I expected.

 

[daveo4EV]

on another Taycan forum this posting is part of the NACS thread over there - the author is a good person and well informed - I think his perspective is useful to share - and he adds addtional data to the conversation here

I'm just the messenger here but again I think this is useful…

Back in... 2016, I happened to meet Tony Williams (proprietor of qccharge.com) at a local show. (I use one of his "Jesla" J1772-modified Tesla mobile connectors for daily charging our Volt and Model 3.) We talked for half an hour or more - much of it on Tesla vs CHAdeMO vs CCS. At the time, Supercharging and CHAdeMO were both getting fairly established and CCS was still on the horizon. In fact Tony had driven his Model S up from San Diego and showed me his newly acquired Tesla CHAdeMO adapter. The first one I'd seen, as Tesla had just started making them for the Japanese market. He had followed the CCS development quite closely too. In hindsight, he pretty accurately predicted the problems CCS would be having - including the physical connector design issues.

Switching to the NACS plug/socket fixes many of the physical connector issues. However at the electrical (PLC) and digital protocol levels, there are additional issues and complexities. For those who harp about a single auto manufacturer controlling NACS, a single vendor (Qualcomm) controls PLC. CHAdeMO, Tesla Supercharging, and even the Chinese GB/T use CANbus communication - which automakers have been using for decades. The digital protocols require IP access to web sites for certificates and so on. It's why sometimes authentication can take a minute or more (if it works) vs about 5 seconds or less with Teslas proprietary CANbus and locally processed solution.

Now there are at least two versions of CCS Plug & Charge. One being what EA uses and a different one that EVgo Autocharge+ uses. Autocharge+ requires each car have a unique MAC address - which apparently rules out VAG cars including Porsche... Of course Tesla has their proprietary Supercharging protocols as well. Though I think the NACS Standard is pushing towards what EA is using.

The list goes on... Bottom line is the standards committees, auto manufacturers, and charging station manufacturers have years of compatibility testing and standards corrections/clarifications to look forward to.

original posting link for reference - https://rennlist.com/forums/taycan/1041180-tesla-existential-threat.html#post18869540