Porsche Ranks First in 2024 US Initial Auto Quality - J.D. Power Study

[Tooney]

Among premium brands, Porsche ranks highest.

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2024-us-initial-quality-study-iqs

 

[Sly_North]

Yep. But that's the poll about perceive quality, right after the sale. Not about the reliability.
Porsche is still scoring high on that one:

Source

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

Woohoo!
Any bets on the timing of the next recall?

 

[chun]

Yep. But that's the poll about perceive quality, right after the sale. Not about the reliability.
Porsche is still scoring high on that one:

Source

I guess taycan is no longer a porsche / included in those satistics

 

[GTSCarLife]

I guess taycan is no longer a porsche / included in those satistics

It’s fashionable for some to trash talk the Taycan, but we have had ours now for 3 months shy of 2 years. It’s my wifes daily driver and it’s had exactly ZERO trips to the dealer for any repair or maintenance. ZERO. Our 2023 Taycan 4S Cross Turismo has been a model of reliability and remains the most exciting car we’ve ever been around to drive or even just look at.

 

[chun]

It’s fashionable for some to trash talk the Taycan, but we have had ours now for 3 months shy of 2 years. It’s my wifes daily driver and it’s had exactly ZERO trips to the dealer for any repair or maintenance. ZERO. Our 2023 Taycan 4S Cross Turismo has been a model of reliability and remains the most exciting car we’ve ever been around to drive or even just look at.

It's been rated least reliable car in UK, switzerland and EU for 2 years staright.
Facts usually beat anecdotal evidence

Some insurance companies refuse to insure it because of UN-reliable it is; while other insurers just put insane premiums on insuring taycans

Somebody just posted about how water can get inside the HV battery, and it will take forever before the car tells you that there are major electrical failures in the battery and the body of the car is electrified; all while letting you drive.

My car has also been quite reliable, but that is anecdotal evidence. And i can acknowledge that

 

[KLHubb]

Same here...I have had my 2020 4S since new in September 2020 and have had no problems save those of my own doing. I plan to keep it as long as I can warrantee it....at least 8 years.
I look forward to the Cayman E, and if the styling is as good as the Taycan, I will be first in line to purchase one.

 

[MerliSYD]

Some insurance companies refuse to insure it because of UN-reliable it is; while other insurers just put insane premiums on insuring taycans

I just moved into a 2024 CT4S with agreed value more than 5x that of my 4 year old Tesla Model 3 Performance, and the Porsche's insurance premium is LESS than the Tesla

 

[RacingDuck]

My insurance quote for the 4CT is not much higher than my Honda Civic Type R (+20 %).
Will be interesting how it evolves.

 

[Jonathan S.]

I guess taycan is no longer a porsche / included in those satistics

Porsche would have beaten out the highly esteemed marques of Chevrolet and Buick were it not for our Taycan.

In all seriousness, when I've looked into the methodologies of various JD Power surveys, I have not been impressed.

 

[Jonathan S.]

It's been rated least reliable car in UK, switzerland and EU for 2 years staright.
Facts usually beat anecdotal evidence

Some insurance companies refuse to insure it because of UN-reliable it is; while other insurers just put insane premiums on insuring taycans

Somebody just posted about how water can get inside the HV battery, and it will take forever before the car tells you that there are major electrical failures in the battery and the body of the car is electrified; all while letting you drive.

My car has also been quite reliable, but that is anecdotal evidence. And i can acknowledge that

What kind of insurance are referencing?
In the U.S., car insurance (as opposed to some sort of extended maintenance plan) is unrelated to reliability. (Repair cost for collisions, yes, that is certainly a factor. But car insurance here doesn't cover mechanical failure unrelated to collisions.)

 

[chun]

What kind of insurance are referencing?
In the U.S., car insurance (as opposed to some sort of extended maintenance plan) is unrelated to reliability. (Repair cost for collisions, yes, that is certainly a factor. But car insurance here doesn't cover mechanical failure unrelated to collisions.)

So if a specific car type goes to the service shop 12 times a year, on average, for every one of them on the road, you are saying insurance companies will just pay it out, no worries, they won't even care, do full replacement of batteries 2-3 times a year, and not increase premiums for that car type?

Obviously, gross exageration, but that is the case with taycan. Since 2020, insurance cost for it 3-4x in switzerland. In uk 3-6x. In the rest of europe at least 3x. In UK some companies just refuse to insure it because of how many times it goes to service.

But now you are saying that insurance companies don't do that? Mhmm.... dunno about that one

 

[Jonathan S.]

So if a specific car type goes to the service shop 12 times a year, on average, for every one of them on the road, you are saying insurance companies will just pay it out, no worries, they won't even care, do full replacement of batteries 2-3 times a year, and not increase premiums for that car type?

Obviously, gross exageration, but that is the case with taycan. Since 2020, insurance cost for it 3-4x in switzerland. In uk 3-6x. In the rest of europe at least 3x. In UK some companies just refuse to insure it because of how many times it goes to service.

But now you are saying that insurance companies don't do that? Mhmm.... dunno about that one

I am saying that car insurance polices in the U.S. cover exactly none of that.
For any type of car.
(OEM warranties and after-market extended warranties, sure. And the Taycan after-market extended warranty policies are therefore priced accordingly).
So car insurance premiums for the Taycan in the U.S. are unaffected by reliability issues.
Actually, if anything, based on the nightmare stories in the forum about how much time some Taycans spend at the dealership undergoing or awaiting repairs, our insurance premiums should be lower since a Taycan is less likely to be in a crash or stolen if it's spending so much time at the dealership...

 

[snstevens]

It’s fashionable for some to trash talk the Taycan, but we have had ours now for 3 months shy of 2 years. It’s my wifes daily driver and it’s had exactly ZERO trips to the dealer for any repair or maintenance. ZERO. Our 2023 Taycan 4S Cross Turismo has been a model of reliability and remains the most exciting car we’ve ever been around to drive or even just look at.

I agree completely. I've had the HV heater issue, but other than that my only visits to the dealer for my 2021 Taycan 4s have been mundane software updates. Of course I wish those were OTA, but honestly it hasn't been a hassle.

Best car I've ever owned ?

 

[KensingtonPark]

...we have had ours now for 3 months shy of 2 years. It’s my wifes daily driver and it’s had exactly ZERO trips to the dealer for any repair or maintenance. ZERO. Our 2023 Taycan 4S Cross Turismo has been a model of reliability and remains the most exciting car we’ve ever been around to drive or even just look at.

...I have had my 2020 4S since new in September 2020 and have had no problems save those of my own doing. I plan to keep it as long as I can warrantee it....at least 8 years.

I agree completely. I've had the HV heater issue, but other than that my only visits to the dealer for my 2021 Taycan 4s have been mundane software updates...Best car I've ever owned ?

My experience with my 2020 4S has been similar. Very happy with the car!