If you’re bored sometime - go test drive a Model 3

[Mr.Smith]

Base price before options of the M3 line up - nothing there quicker 0-60…

The driving experience for some is more than 0-60. Again its a lot of bang for the buck, but remove the 0-60, the M3P is a $20k car


What would you think of your Bolt did 0-60 in 2.9sec?

 

[WRC_1S]

Been interesting reading this thread. Not surprised by the emotive responses seen as its a Taycan forum . I don't see Tesla as a luxury brand. My mate has a Model X. It's nice. The whoopee cushion and karaoke are novel features. It's blisteringly fast in a straight line. And it's quite nice to sit in. The Gullwing doors are stupid. Porsche has only ever been a luxury sports car maker (and tractors for the pedants). Its in its DNA. I'm lucky enough to have a 1969 911t I'm restoring. It's in right poor state but I'll make it pretty again. It's a 52 year old luxury sports car. My Taycan (when it arrives in Feb) will be my daily car. And its a luxury sports car, with the same DNA as my 69T. Different power plant, same marque, same heritage. I think people need to stop comparing Tesla and Taycan. They really are not and never will be the same thing and I don't think they even see each other as rivals. The only thing they have in common is they are EVs.

 

[daveo4EV]

The driving experience for some is more than 0-60. Again its a lot of bang for the buck, but remove the 0-60, the M3P is a $20k car


What would you think of your Bolt did 0-60 in 2.9sec?

it's not that bad - and most people can't tell the difference, but everyone can feel acceleration

just visited the AMG site

CLA-35 is 4.8 sec - 47.9k base before options
CLA-45 is 4.0 sec - 55.9k base before options
C-43 is 4.5 sec - 59k base before options
C-63 is 3.8 sec - 70.6k base before options
C-63S is 3.7 - 78.2k base before options
E-53 is 4.3 - 76.2k base before options
S-63 is 3.4 - 173k base before options
GT 43 4-door is 4.8 sec - 93.5k base before options
GT 43 4-door is 4.4 sec - 102.6k base before options
GT 3.7 is sec - 118k bases before options
GT-C is 3.6 sec - 153k base before options
GT-Black Series is 3.1 sec - 325k base before options

vs. a 59k Model 3 performance fully optioned

only _ONE_ AMG product has better acceleration - and it lacks a car pool sticker and costs $325k

bang for buck and the car isn't as bad as people think it is - room for improvement - sure no question - but for less than 60k out the door it's hard to find better performance for any street driving scenarios and all the other guys software SUCKS.

 

[gnop1950]

I"m simply wondering what is our there in the low 3.2 sec AWD 0-60 and low 11.4's for 1/4 mile for $59k out the door…

Well, from my perspective, who cares. If straight-line acceleration for the cheapest price is someone's goal then they should buy Tesla Performance Models. Of course, that is a fool's game since you can be sure that there will be a new faster version coming soon.

IMHO anything under 4.0 0-60 is in what used to be the SuperCar range and is certainly faster than 90% of the vehicles on the road. Personally, I doubt I'll use launch control or max speed starts of any kind more than occasionally. I'm much more interested in the driving experience, comfort, and yes, the cachet of the car I'm driving. I believe it will be many years, if ever before Tesla catches up to Porsche in those areas.

I'm not even sure that Tesla really cares. They are making most of their money on the less expensive models. Yes, I could buy two Model 3 performance cars for what I'm paying for my Taycan, with money left over. Doesn't matter, I don't want a Model 3, I do want a Porsche.

 

[riburn3]

I actually agree with you OP. Being an EV guy, it's hard for me to imagine a better car at the price point. Not a fan of the styling but it just checks of so many boxes and is probably the most fun EV to drive that isn't a Taycan.

The biggest thing for me is the lack of maintenance and oil changes. This is any EV, but there aren't many at this price point that boast as many features. Folks listed other ICE cars at a similar price point, but the maintenance costs of those cars and the cost to run them, usually on premium fuel is to me, just a huge pain in the ass.

The software is worlds superior to any other manufacturer, and once you get used to it, you have a hard time living without it. Just look at how many threads here complaining about Porsche Connect even if it doesn't compromise the drive or ride quality in any way. Tesla has this nailed this and it does it so well.

The fit and finish and interior quality is closer to a car 20k less, but I feel like the other qualities more than make up for it, and it's hard for me to imagine buying anything else in this range, especially since I have no desire to ever go back to ICE.

 

[atebit]

I have zero regrets seeing Event Horizon II (M3) in the rear view mirror as I was driving off from the Porsche dealer in Event Horizon III.

 

[daveo4EV]

no question the Taycan looks and drives better - but again I'm just saying "if you're bored" you should test drive one - they are a hoot - they have their drawbacks - but also their charms - personally I'm done with Tesla for now - we'll re-evaluate in a few years - but as a car person I like to sample all comers and know first hand what is what…

a lot a lot a lot of people do not have the option to "upgrade" to a Taycan - and for $59k or less the Model 3 offers a LOT of value - the non-performance is still pretty quick and it's even less money.

to be quicker than a Model 3 you have to option a Taycan Turbo - not even a GTS is quicker…and BMW and AMG - don't make me laugh - that's outside the budget of most Model 3 victims…

it's a value package if you balance a number of factors…again I'm not suggesting anyone buy one, I'm suggesting you experience it for your self and then walk away.

 

[buhhy]

No, volume means everything. If your goal is to make the BEST car EVAH, then yeah, popularity is but one measure. If your goal is to lower costs to reduce the entry point, facilitate newer and better battery tech and range and thus encourage the mass adoption of electric cars to help save the environment, then volume is everything.

Volume also helps if your aim is to move into other forms of energy production and storage as the profits from one business are used as capex for the other. ALso helps to have lots more cars on the road acting as information suckers to feed back into your neural networks for your software/AI business (which will be the best in the world, potentially). So yeah, just Camrys.

Edit: I've been a Tesla stockholder since 2012. Not a bad 25X return on my money. I wish I had invested more. I've heard every argument in the world over the past 8 years as to why it won't work and it's a pipe dream, etc. Consider me hard to convince at this point.

My Dogecoin investment far eclipsed the performance of your Tesla stock Everyone doubted the ??, but doge proved everyone wrong. I sold too early partially due to the FUD unfortunately.

Back on topic - I test drove a M3P and was very unimpressed by the road noise, bounciness, bad UX, poor interior, and inability to turn off regenerative braking. And yes, I drove a volt with regen for a couple years so it's not a new concept. It did go in a straight line really fast though and the ipad screen was nice when just browsing. My 2015 Lexus IS350 felt like a bentley in comparison and was 20k cheaper.

 

[Jhenson29]

vs. a 59k Model 3 performance fully optioned

Fully optioned? It’s $59k before options.

$72k fully optioned (all…um…3 of them…?).

Not that it matters much. It still cheap either way. No argument there.

(And I’m still not interested)

 

[daveo4EV]

Fully optioned? It’s $59k before options.

$72k fully optioned (all…um…3 of them…?).

Not that it matters much. It still cheap either way. No argument there.

(And I’m still not interested)

Tesla.com does not show me that price as the cash price - right now at this moment I can't get the Model 3 Performance to your price

I'm not paying Elon for FSD

58,990 is the price before "savings" _NOT_ including potential savings (which are BS BTW)

how are you getting it to 71k?

 

[Jhenson29]

Tesla.com does not show me that price as the cash price - right now at this moment I can't get the Model 3 Performance to your price

I'm not paying Elon for FSD

58,990 is the price before "savings" _NOT_ including potential savings (which are BS BTW)

how are you getting it to 71k?

3 options.
Red paint, white interior, FSD.

You can choose to not include FSD, but that’s not really “fully optioned” then, now is it? Especially given the extremely low number of options in the first place.

 

[gnop1950]

Tesla.com does not show me that price as the cash price - right now at this moment I can't get the Model 3 Performance to your price

I'm not paying Elon for FSD

58,990 is the price before "savings" _NOT_ including potential savings (which are BS BTW)

how are you getting it to 71k?

It is hidden at the bottom-middle. To see the above there is an up arrow. I've been there before and thought it was kind of cheezy, especially showing the "Gasoline Savings". The above is with Blue paint, two-tone interior, and self-driving.

 

[svp6]

A tad too much negativity here.... I have a 2020 4S (my car) and model 3 performance (my wife's car; currently idle since she is working from home since Covid started). Each morning I have a choice. I like and I use the Taycan more - mainly for the gorgeous looks and high quality of fit and finish. That being said, the model 3 feels substantially faster and substantially more nimble - it helps being a lighter car.... I do not track the cars, but judging from those who do model 3 does not come up too bad, so it is not just about straight line acceleration... Agree 100% with @daveo4EV on Tesla user interface.

My ideal car: Taycan looks and quality, Taycan brakes (I thought I would miss regen, but I actually prefer the coasting implemented in the Taycan), Tesla UI, Tesla charging network.

 

[svp6]

3 options.
Red paint, white interior, FSD.

You can choose to not include FSD, but that’s not really “fully optioned” then, now is it? Especially given the extremely low number of options in the first place.

Bought the FSD - worst purchase of my life. Without FSD, all Tesla's have adaptive cruise control which is what you really need..... Agree with white interior and non-standard color. That gets you to $59,900

 

[gnop1950]

Bought the FSD - worst purchase of my life. Without FSD, all Tesla's have adaptive cruise control which is what you really need..... Agree with white interior and non-standard color. That gets you to $59,900

Well, without the FSD it is still $61,990, don't forget that Red Paint is a super premium $2k option ?