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Ow, it's much bigger than that. It has to do with the opinion that these EVs aren't saving the world, the subsidies, the cobalt, the toxic batteries, the coal powered electricity, that these cars are out of reach for most people, that they are faster than any ICE, the charging takes hours, the...

On a Tesla forum yes. Not on a random car page, at least not the majority. It's what I see. These are all kinds of people, young, old. I often asked myself, why this hate? I mean you can hate Fiat for creating the Multipla but c'mon, the hate on Tesla is just unreal. Well, at least what I've...

It is quite obvious that some members here drive Teslas or have driven Teslas. I don't hate them, I just point out that the overall opinion on forums and groups are anti-Tesla. I'm sorry you found out this way. You're just denying what people are saying about Tesla, hence the excuses you guys...

Correct. It's a fact (and not my opinion) that the overall opinion on Tesla is that it is hated by many. All I'm saying. Personally I don't hate Tesla but I think Porsche has a lot more depth in brand experience, not only by me but by many many other people.

So you are saying that the comments on Drivetribe or any other car forum (Jalopnik, Car Throttle etc) aren't real? Ok. It's not an opinion, it's just what "car lovers" say on forums/groups. I'm sorry, it's just what I read, nothing made up to prove my point, look it up if you don't believe me. ...

No they don't. You just made that up to prove your point. The hate on Tesla is real, just watch any Tesla topic on Drivetribe. Porsche: the opposite, "the first EV I would love to own"... I'm sorry.

No, defenately not. A Tesla is not a dream car. A Porsche is. Ask anyone: "what would you love to own: a Tesla or a Porsche?". I'll wait...

Why does that sound better? ?

There's 356 A B and C but cabriolets are usually much more expensive.

I suppose you mean "cabriolet" and not 356 C...? That would be a price difference of about 200-300K...

I'm glad to read there is knowledge here about the way hydrogen is produced and why hydrogen is a very bad idea. More and more people are seeing it so that's a good thing. I don't say electric is the solution but hydrogen sure isn't. Another fact: hydrogen has a right for existence cuz it's...

Well, beating a Taycan Turbo S at €200K by a Tesla Plaid at €140K is kinda painfull (not really but just to express the contradiction here). But beaten by a Rimac Nevera at €2M is ok. Maybe that's where it hurts. Whatever happens next in Zuffenhausen, we are living in great times again!

Did someone here actually try to put that 1000hp down on a normal street with street tires? I sometimes have trouble putting all my 760 down with my 305/265 wide tires... Why do you think a Tesla Model S Plaid won't have any problems on even narrower tires? (265/245 or something?). Also, the...

"I own a Porsche" sounds way better than "I own a Tesla". :giggle:

Well, timing is vision. When all pieces fell together it became a succes. Many others have tried but it wasn't the right time. It was just a matter of time and the right time. The 2008 Roadster wasn't such a big succes after all... It almost went wrong with the Model S in 2012/2013 due to...

Not really. It's cuz of the invention of Lipos that EVs became a business case and usable in every days life. Second, we had a time where the environment became more important and BEVs are contributing to that, kind of.... So, Tesla jumped on the train and it was the time and technology...

Well, let me put it this way: if you don't, the points you just mentioned about your Tesla aren't relevant any more and therefore not worth mentioning. There's an irony in there. If you aren't disappointed, I stand corrected about the point you will be disappointed for the wrong reasons. But...

You are so gonna be disappointed for all the wrong reasons. But.... there's a catch here: if you look for a proper car and you love actual driving you may be in for a surprise.

I just don't like it, both inside and outside. I'm not interested in a Tesla, never been, never will. Had a i3 for years and had so much fun, totally unique car, excellent quality, remote control works very well. All carbon fiber monocoque, that is so cool, very light for an EV and therefore...

You are aware you are comparing two different cars right? I had a 992 C4S for two months while my car was in the shop and I was glad I got my Taycan back. A 911 is fun but it's more drama than performance, yes, it felt slow but the Taycan is the heavyweight here so that was quite remarkable. I...