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Instead of this endless and useless debate why or how Tesla was the start of EVs or not, I'd rather look at these kind of experiments: I always wanted to know how my car (not a Tesla btw) would coop with a big pool of water. Not as extreme as this but it's quite interesting to see...

Where exactly did I say "luck"? I would call it "vision and strong belief". Does that comfort you better?

Are you guys STILL trying to convince each other? If it wasn't for the invention of li-ion we wouldn't have Tesla's, cellphones, laptops etc. https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/2019/popular-information/ If it wasn't such a climate debate we wouldn't have ANY EVs. How far do you want to...

Agree but I think the Taycan is how the Panamera always should've been: a sporty 4-door sedan/hatchback. Panamera looks rather too "fat" to look sporty if you know what I mean...?

My point was that a Taycan IS an electric Panamera...?

The word you are looking for is: "Taycan Cross Turismo".

It looks like Porsche is going to replace the Boxster by an EV, maybe the Mission R is a hint? That way they can still produce the 911 and see which one will sell better. In terms of performance they should match each other. Just a thought... We live in exiting times!

I've seen reviews of the Kia EV6 and they're all very positive. Carwow even said it was the best EV yet.

But that one only does 45 kph. I think Opel has one too, same platform, different name (can't remember). It's purely for city, not a serious car, just like my Microlino (although the Microlino can do 90 kph).

Taycan is the best sport EV, actually it's the only affordable sport EV today so yeah, that's the bar right there... ?

I'm waiting for the Microlino which will be in production this year (finally). Only in Switzerland and Germany for the moment but the Netherlands will be next soon (I'll buy from Germany anyway). This little EV will be my grocery getter cuz sometimes you just don't want to draw attention with a...

Where's Tesla?

Like I said before, read my comments again. You totally misunderstood or you're just too thick to understand what I'm saying. Trying to bend this into a personal attack is just sad. I intentionally retrieved myself from this discussion cuz I was reapeating myself. Now that I see you want to make...

Indeed. And those 11s are only 2,4% faster than the Taycan Turbo.... What is all the fuzz about anyway? Soon the Rimac Nevera will do a run and that's just the end of this non-discussion anyway...

Obviously you haven't read all my comments. How inconvenient. Read any of these forums: Drivetribe, Jalopnik, Car Throttle, Autoblog, etc. EVs aren't popular but it's getting better, way better than 5 years ago... Still, Tesla has got real hate, it's there, really. I suggest you read this whole...

Tesla overstate their numbers. Porsche understate their numbers. Personally I think too many Tesla fans are here.

Yes it is. It's what Tesla is advertising compared to the numbers in REAL LIFE. Same for range. Same for FSD. Always have been, always will be. People just buy it, literally. Porsche at least is understating their numbers. I love that. ?

I think a Tesla Plaid can be beaten by a Turbo S. I've seen reviews where they've tested the 0-60 on a normal street without preparing the battery: 0-60 in 2,3 s. (still silly fast right?) That's with rollout (without is just silly). Taycan Turbo S on paper: 0-60 in 2,6s, on the street: 2,5s. At...

I laughed my pants off... ??? And you know what? There was something else.... Here's the vid:

Anyone? Got something to add....? It does look good imho. But I'm not interested though.