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  1. whitex

    Mercedes locks faster acceleration behind a yearly $1,200 subscription - The Verge

    I also work in security but on the embedded side, including automotive. You'd be surprised how often physical access attacks get pushed out of scope because of difficulties securing against it, especially for non-safety-critical things like feature enablement (e.g. ability to enable a paid...
  2. whitex

    Mercedes locks faster acceleration behind a yearly $1,200 subscription - The Verge

    Porsche charges $19,200 more for Turbo vs. GTS, which gets you 21% more power, so similar to Mercedes. I also find it interesting that some people here have no problem with it, but would have a big problem if Porsche allowed you to unlock 21% more power for $1,200 a year. Quick math, even at 0%...
  3. whitex

    Mercedes locks faster acceleration behind a yearly $1,200 subscription - The Verge

    Hence you wouldn't drive a GTS, extra weight of the Turbo motors with only a fraction of performance unlocked. :)
  4. whitex

    Mercedes locks faster acceleration behind a yearly $1,200 subscription - The Verge

    I think companies just need to find a way to market it right considering human psychology. Perhaps sell an "upgrade ready trim" for $100 which will get you a car with locked options, vs. $100 lower priced car with none of them. If such option was offered on a Taycan, I bet most people would buy...
  5. whitex

    Mercedes locks faster acceleration behind a yearly $1,200 subscription - The Verge

    There are extra benefits - you can charge to 100% with no degradation, lower degradation over time (since each charge-discharge cycle counts only as less than a full cycle on a bigger battery, 100% power draw is not actually 100% power draw therefore less damaging to the battery - like de-rated...
  6. whitex

    Mercedes locks faster acceleration behind a yearly $1,200 subscription - The Verge

    Here is a question to those who loathe the Mercedes performance subscription model. Imagine at the time of order you could choose: car with weaker motors and battery which cannot be upgraded via software car with more powerful motors and battery at the same price as #1 but with the $1,200 a...
  7. whitex

    Mercedes locks faster acceleration behind a yearly $1,200 subscription - The Verge

    AFAIK GTS is same drivetrain as Turbo, but software locked. The only legal way to unlock it is to pay $20K at order time (by upgrading your car to a Turbo trim), which coincidentally is is way more expensive than $1,200 per year subscription like the Mercedes option. Now imagine Porsche...
  8. whitex

    VW Scout EV Pickup/SUV Teaser Posted. Visit New Sister-Site @ ScoutEVforum.com

    Not a picture of a real car IMO. The image looks computer created. Check out how the front tires are identical mirror images of each other, identical tread position, identical lighting reflections, etc.
  9. whitex

    Are Taycans the bargains of the Porsche model lineup?

    Actually, you are paying interest on the residual value as well. 2*money_factor*RV per month to be exact.
  10. whitex

    Are Taycans the bargains of the Porsche model lineup?

    Absolutely. If you had the dealer price the lease payments for different trims with different option, you obviously got the most up to date information at that time and made the best decision based on that. ?
  11. whitex

    Are Taycans the bargains of the Porsche model lineup?

    In the US options are worth 0 for wholesale auction estimates, like if you want to return a leased car early. The only car I ever returned early was a 911C4, and the bank did just that, calculate early residual based purely on base price, and used that to calculate how much I owe to get out of...
  12. whitex

    Are Taycans the bargains of the Porsche model lineup?

    Perhaps you ran into subsidized residual values. Tesla did that from time to time.
  13. whitex

    Are Taycans the bargains of the Porsche model lineup?

    I am in total agreement with you on this. The only thing we disagree on is how the residual value is calculated, you think it's a fixed% times MSRP, I think it's fixed% times BASE MSRP + lower_fixed% * OPTIONS_MSRP. Every lease I ever look into was like that, even if the SA did not quite...
  14. whitex

    Are Taycans the bargains of the Porsche model lineup?

    I honestly think dealer did not tell you the truth. If you asked for a residual value for 4S+10K in options vs 4S+70K in options, you would find the percentage is not the same. Remember that residual values are what the leasing company is stuck with at the end of the lease, so if as you yourself...
  15. whitex

    Are Taycans the bargains of the Porsche model lineup?

    Options do not change the money factor, but the absolutely do affect the residual value of the lease, which in turn affect the payment. I bet a 4S optioned up to Turbo S base price will have a higher lease payment than said Turbo S, assuming both have the same money factor (and that the money...
  16. whitex

    Are Taycans the bargains of the Porsche model lineup?

    I am not trying to criticize your decision, just clarifying things for myself or possibly for others. I haven't leased cars in a while, but last time I did, the residual value formula of the car was always (base_price*base_% + options_price*options_%) with options_% always lower than base_%. Did...
  17. whitex

    Are Taycans the bargains of the Porsche model lineup?

    Turbo or Turbo S might have a higher depreciation on the base price, but options depreciate even faster, whether on 4S or Turbo S. Wouldn't 4S with lots of options which costs as much as a base Turbo S, depreciate faster than said base Turbo S?
  18. whitex

    Are Taycans the bargains of the Porsche model lineup?

    Out of curiosity, did you check much were a Taycan Turbo and Turbo S in an equivalent configurations?
  19. whitex

    Are Taycans the bargains of the Porsche model lineup?

    Very unlikely they are subsidized. If they were, that would mean Porsche is completely incompetent. in manufacturing (which they are not) Taycans cost mode than Model S with which they compete, and Tesla makes good a profit margin on Model S (higher % than Model 3/Y).
  20. whitex

    Glad to be done with Porsche and Taycan

    I think the thread is just misfiled. It should be moved to Porsche Taycan Versus... rather than live in the Issues, Warranty, Recalls, TSBs where it currently appears.
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