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  1. fullmetalbaal

    Taycan Turbo S vs. Model S Plaid - really by this much!?

    0-60 times are clearly important to a good fraction of Porsche Taycan drivers, since that's a substantial reason to buy a Turbo S vs. Turbo or a Turbo vs. a 4s. And in general, Porsche (as do all German OEMs) uses 0-60 times as a major differentiator between their models and submodels. They...
  2. fullmetalbaal

    Tesla Model S price increases to $89,990

    Not to rain on the parade... But historically, Tesla has raised prices mostly when the market supported it. Similarly the configurator dates were proactively pushed out only when it was due to order backlog. Delays due to inability to manufacture/deliver are historically always slow to reflect...
  3. fullmetalbaal

    Scared to ask... anyone tempted by Model S Plaid?

    It is fast... I can't wait to see Nurburgring times, rumors are they are running on the ring in these coming weeks. Competition is good: maybe this will get Porsche unlock some more performance, especially on RWD and 4S, where it seems that there's a bit more they are withholding just to have...
  4. fullmetalbaal

    Or should I buy a 911?

    Even simpler Do you want the world's premier sports car? (there's no EV sports car right now that can really compete with the 911 in its class) or Do you want the world's premier sports sedan? (there's no ICE sports sedan that's better either - IMHO)
  5. fullmetalbaal

    Scared to ask... anyone tempted by Model S Plaid?

    That's a very good point: for ICE motors we had a better idea of what something really meant. For example, in the dark ages when I bought the M3 e92, the individual throttle bodies were a special feature of the engine. Supposedly helping the engine to hit higher rpm and get there faster. At...
  6. fullmetalbaal

    Scared to ask... anyone tempted by Model S Plaid?

    I know those are the quoted advantages. Makes sense too. But we don't have the end-to-end system for analysis. Are 800V inverters the same size and weight as 400V? Are they SiC? Are all the other systems that would usually feed from 400V heavier/lighter in the 800V world? And then there's...
  7. fullmetalbaal

    Scared to ask... anyone tempted by Model S Plaid?

    While I really hope that you're right about 270 being low, there's also tons of folks on the forum here reporting lower than this as well. If I get 250-260 reliably when traveling at US highway speeds and without compromising comfort (sorry, I need AC!) or anything else (no tailgating trucks or...
  8. fullmetalbaal

    Scared to ask... anyone tempted by Model S Plaid?

    Estimated Actual Miles (TM).;) taycan: 22 min for 5->80% = 75% of 270 miles = 22 min for 200 miles. tesla: 15 min for 200 miles, assuming 20% discount = 15 min for 160 miles -> 234 miles in the 22 min. You can even penalize Tesla by 30% (and note I'm using 270 miles for Taycan...) Taycan 4S...
  9. fullmetalbaal

    Scared to ask... anyone tempted by Model S Plaid?

    Well. What really matters in terms of charging is miles charged per minute. Model 3 was already roughly on par with Taycan, if the early photos are to be believed Model S now caught up as well. (ballpark, likely slightly ahead, but I don't think the last single digit percentage matters). What...
  10. fullmetalbaal

    Scared to ask... anyone tempted by Model S Plaid?

    We shall see. I'd be willing to take a longer term bet that we won't have a transmission in gen 2 or gen 3. We'll have 3-4 motors though. Happy to take a friendly wager for a cold beer in Switzerland or near Stuttgart :) . Not saying they are idiots. They deal with a lot of requirements and...
  11. fullmetalbaal

    Scared to ask... anyone tempted by Model S Plaid?

    Sure, if you like. Long list of small and larger changes to software, battery chemistry, drivetrain (Original, then Raven, then Palladium), and charging At the top end: They went from 4.2s to 60, to 3s, to 2.8 to ~2s. (If early data is to believed, Plaid also made that repeatable.) They went...
  12. fullmetalbaal

    Scared to ask... anyone tempted by Model S Plaid?

    Yes, lots. I'll stick to the Taycan side, since that's the part I'd love to see improved. 800V isn't an upside by itself. It needs to give us higher efficiency, lower weight, more range, faster charging (measured in miles per min). On all of those metrics, unclear that the Taycan really broke...
  13. fullmetalbaal

    Scared to ask... anyone tempted by Model S Plaid?

    I like that they are building their own charging network and you get to use EA etc. as well if needed.
  14. fullmetalbaal

    Scared to ask... anyone tempted by Model S Plaid?

    What's notable is the difference in consumption over thousands of miles. You're at 389 over 12k miles. I'm seeing 318 over 6k miles. Are you towing anything on some of those drives? 22% is a massive bite, if that's just the wheels. The efficiency I'm observing is why I keep saying that newer...
  15. fullmetalbaal

    Scared to ask... anyone tempted by Model S Plaid?

    Yeah, there's a lot to like about the Rivian tech-wise and the interior. I just can't get over the looks (silly, I know, but there you go). 419 is crazy. How cold was it? We've done long stretches at 70-75 mph and still average at ~320 on these trips. In fact, that's the average I have over the...
  16. fullmetalbaal

    Scared to ask... anyone tempted by Model S Plaid?

    Out of curiosity: Is your Model X pre- or post-Raven? We have a Model X LR and consistently get close to 300 miles on road trips. We've literally spooled >10K miles onto it that way, so it's not a one-off. I'm not questioning your statement here - I've heard enough people mention it for it to be...
  17. fullmetalbaal

    Scared to ask... anyone tempted by Model S Plaid?

    A good drive train has been one of the primary selection criteria for myself and I bet many (hopefully most - but I guess not anymore, given where the majority of the sales come from nowadays) other Porsche drivers - "take the drive train out of the equation" feels odd. I don't see why in 2021...
  18. fullmetalbaal

    Scared to ask... anyone tempted by Model S Plaid?

    For two reasons: (1) an actual technical problem/design issue/manufacturing issue would be more problematic than customer service idiots. (IMHO) (2) customer service folks being lazy/uninformed/greedy isn't a Tesla specialty. That's been true for most industries and companies, especially the car...
  19. fullmetalbaal

    Scared to ask... anyone tempted by Model S Plaid?

    Can't tell if you're just trying to be funny. But I'd add 2 things: - customer service/support folks or any other customer interaction say a lot of things to shortcut to the solution they want to propose. eg. it might be easier to make this customer wait for a new car and use this car for...
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