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  1. fullmetalbaal

    Plaid beats Taycan Turbo by 11 seconds around ring... will Porsche respond?

    Watching all the EV videos, and then other Nurburgring videos (again :) ), I realized that EVs are too quiet to be fun to watch. I also realized that a class that is much maligned is actually the best. The 4 cylinder hybrid. :) Joking aside... the combination of engine AND e-motor sounds is...
  2. fullmetalbaal

    Plaid beats Taycan Turbo by 11 seconds around ring... will Porsche respond?

    It's a feature: "Adaptive weight optimization". ;)
  3. fullmetalbaal

    Plaid beats Taycan Turbo by 11 seconds around ring... will Porsche respond?

    Yeah, watching the video, the car looks like a handful on the track. The Taycan may very well be the better car on the track - I'm just saying it's much more than just a new motor :) This is the model that Tesla should follow for Plaid Plus or Plaid 2 or whatever, and Porsche for the J1.2...
  4. fullmetalbaal

    Plaid beats Taycan Turbo by 11 seconds around ring... will Porsche respond?

    The new car has better aerodynamics ("tuned"), a different suspension (unclear how much is completely new vs. tuned), different brakes and different wheels. It also has better battery cooling w/the same cells and chemistry (is that tuning?), and completely new motors. For the race track time...
  5. fullmetalbaal

    Plaid beats Taycan Turbo by 11 seconds around ring... will Porsche respond?

    I was not suggesting that you or any other forum participant was firing up Photoshop and manipulating images. I was saying that I don't trust Motor1, jalopnik etc. to do their due diligence when they pick up photos somewhere. I think right now the most likely scenario is: they completed their...
  6. fullmetalbaal

    Plaid beats Taycan Turbo by 11 seconds around ring... will Porsche respond?

    Assuming this picture is real, and from the same car, and from the same days, it's not inconceivable that they switched brakes and other bits after the official runs to get a few hours of testing in on that "track pack" that they already announced. IIRC manufacturers have to spend substantial...
  7. fullmetalbaal

    Plaid beats Taycan Turbo by 11 seconds around ring... will Porsche respond?

    I think it's good to watch these things carefully: pretty much every manufacturer, perhaps save Porsche, has been caught being, eh, creative with the rules on the Ring. I remember similar issues with the Lamborghini Aventador runs. But I do think that it's also important to wait until cheating...
  8. fullmetalbaal

    Plaid beats Taycan Turbo by 11 seconds around ring... will Porsche respond?

    The video showed the drive with the joke, and the time is officially witnessed by the 'Ring folks: https://www.nuerburgring.de/news/tesla-faehrt-offiziellen-rekord-fuer-elektrofahrzeuge I'm pretty sure they would have had an issue with modified brakes, etc.
  9. fullmetalbaal

    Plaid beats Taycan Turbo by 11 seconds around ring... will Porsche respond?

    The turbo S only has higher HP than the Turbo for 2.5 seconds (IIRC). The big question is whether that regenerates during that 7+ min run if you are pushing the car so hard. The Turbo they used for the run had every single performance option added to it. My money is on the Turbo S not having...
  10. fullmetalbaal

    Taycan Turbo S vs. Model S Plaid - really by this much!?

    These numbers are both from Motortrend, not from Tesla. Taycan Turbo S: https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2020-porsche-taycan-turbo-s-first-test-review/ Plaid: https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-tesla-model-s-plaid-first-test-review/ Different days, different temperatures, true. Unlikely...
  11. fullmetalbaal

    Taycan Turbo S vs. Model S Plaid - really by this much!?

    It's not the 0-60 that is that different. There I agree, it's probably within the reaction time variances of 2 different drivers. Have a look at the 0-100 mph. Turbo S 5.9s Plaid: 4.3s It gets worse for 0-130mph. (EDITed to add units.)
  12. fullmetalbaal

    Taycan Turbo S vs. Model S Plaid - really by this much!?

    And before we start hearing the "that was just a Musk tweet, is it really real?" complaints, here it is from the official source: https://nuerburgring.de/news/tesla-faehrt-offiziellen-rekord-fuer-elektrofahrzeuge Beyond lap times and 0-60 bragging rights, I honestly would take the Plaid...
  13. fullmetalbaal

    Taycan Turbo S vs. Model S Plaid - really by this much!?

    I think their powertrains aren't bad either. They have very competitive performance (acceleration and repeatability) and efficiency (meaning good range and fast charging). The Plaid time on the Nurburgring IMHO showed that it's not just about 0-60. Their safety systems are standard (something...
  14. fullmetalbaal

    Taycan Turbo S vs. Model S Plaid - really by this much!?

    Every year we keep hearing "here is the Tesla killer..." Even with other EV options, Tesla has kept a substantial mind- and marketshare. Most Model 3 and Model Y drivers will tell you, they are decent cars that have substantial strengths vs. their competitors (BMW 3 series, etc. but also ID.4...
  15. fullmetalbaal

    Porsche Announces Mission R EV Sports Car Concept

    Interestingly, no transmission. IMHO further confirmation that the transmission in our Taycans is an anomaly that will be forgotten with J1.2 or whatever the real successor platform is called.
  16. fullmetalbaal

    Lucid Air - Motor Trend Review

    I think all startups that don't already have cars on the road now and are manufacturing at scale are going to have a rough time going forward. Maybe with the exception of Rivian, both because they don't have an imminent competitor just yet, and because they have Amazon backing them. I think...
  17. fullmetalbaal

    Taycan Turbo S vs. Model S Plaid - really by this much!?

    Well, Tesla has its own insurance in many US states. So there'd be at least one to provide coverage I heard Porsche was considering following that as well, but maybe that was just rumors.
  18. fullmetalbaal

    Taycan Turbo S vs. Model S Plaid - really by this much!?

    Whether it sounds better or not depends on the audience. And whether being the guy/gal with the Porsche is something one wants to advertise also really depends. Here in Seattle, Porsche are increasingly the "I need a car to show off" purchases for housewives. Cayenne and Macan overload in the...
  19. fullmetalbaal

    BMW i4 and iX in person

    IMHO the M2 competition is the last of the true BMWs. Would have been even better with an NA engine...
  20. fullmetalbaal

    BMW i4 and iX in person

    Looking at BMWs new cars just makes me sad. I'm serious. I used to love these cars. The e92 m3 still ranks up there for me. The engine, the lines, everything. Watching this just hurts.
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