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The continual use of the fanboy term is an ad hominem attack on the character of those who disagree with you rather than dealing with the facts. The phrase Gobbels propraganda is similar but more extreme.

I was referring to you. Tesla has demonstrated that it is a valuable property (measured by market cap), because as the sales graph shows, it generates rising sales for its electric cars. Market cap is a result of all the inputs that go into the value of a company. But your argument will...

You may wish to review a standard finance text book. The market is a discounting mechanism. It's forward looking not backward looking, though with volatility. If you feel that your argument is the more powerful one, then you may wish to consider a short position. Let me know how that works out.

From your favorite source.

Tesla mainly produces electric vehicles. Tesla’s market capitalization has risen from $0 to $766.7 billion. Market cap is a measure of economic viability. Ergo Tesla has validated BEV’s are economically viable.

No let it run. Some of the premier posters on this forum are going to toe to toe. Great stuff.

I actually thought you were doing the best job of making your case of anyone.

This thread has become a primer on logical fallacies. Quite entertaining.

To the extent you can drive a Taycan on a track, I guess it's a track car. But it has the same fundamental problem of all EV's. Potentially lots of power but It's too heavy. Need to wait for a future incarnation that weighs a lot less. Then the car will get a lot quicker.

You are probably right. Tuning the car is an easier fix than changing the battery and motors. Additional comment. Tesla looks like it used a brute force method to up the performance. Bigger battery and new motors. Not tuning the car.

I think Porsche will respond by creating a higher performance model at the expense of range. You can "tune" EV's to maximize range or performance or compromise on something in the middle. 100 kWh batteries seem to be the maximum that manufacturers are currently prepared to go to as the weight...

You can't reason with a cult member. You can just wind them up to a frantic pitch.

Fascinating to watch the Teslarati scurrying about after this review. Hope they are still taking their blood pressure meds.

Seeking the lowest coefficient of drag tends to yield cars that look somewhat Tesla like. The Taycan has avoided this with its own unique look.

The Taycan is a much more distinctive looking car.

Just thinking that it's easy to criticize but difficult to come up with solutions. The need to bring this technology on remains. So here's mine. A recognition that what currently purports to be FSD can be dangerous in its current state. So require everyone who wants to use FSD (TBD) to take...

You have a problem here. This stuff is already out there and some people just trust it, or abuse it, or don't know how to use it properly because they think it's fool proof or they're just too lazy to learn how to use it. Remember nobody reads manuals they just learn the facts from a YouTube...

Yes, Porsche is going to have to learn how to make cars in the brave new world. Farts are just a distraction. Can't use the parts bin to make a new car. Needs to get control of battery tech fast. Reduce product cycle times until the tech stabilizes. Learn how to do OTA (probably in a...

There are 3 entities involved at this time and this is what each has to say. From their websites. At least until the class action guys get involved and get to look at Tesla's internal documents and emails. Tesla says this on Full Self-Driving Capability plus you would have to add Elon's...

I think there is a slightly missed point here. Assume hypothetically you are the product manager for the Taycan and Porsche means performance, it's not a lux brand. When the car came out it was the best. Lots of discussion about 0-60 times and quarter miles and the car showed really well...