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  1. manitou202

    Plaid beats Taycan Turbo by 11 seconds around ring... will Porsche respond?

    Like I said earlier, I think it's fair to have safety equipment installed as long as it doesn't impact performance. For example depending on how a roll cage is installed, it could add stiffness to the chassis thus improving performance. Fire suppression and shutoffs seem completely reasonable...
  2. manitou202

    Plaid beats Taycan Turbo by 11 seconds around ring... will Porsche respond?

    The only reason I care about the Taycan running the ring, is this is part of the Porsche tradition. It's not that I expect Porsche to be the fastest, but it's a cool benchmark to use for cars of this caliber. It doesn't mean one model is better than the other, but it gives everyone a sense of...
  3. manitou202

    Plaid beats Taycan Turbo by 11 seconds around ring... will Porsche respond?

    I agree it's a legitimate group that wouldn't let something non-factory slide, but the pictures I posted are real. The first is from the actual certification article showing the Red Model S Plaid with the number plate BIT 0679, the second and third pictures are from completely unrelated photos...
  4. manitou202

    Plaid beats Taycan Turbo by 11 seconds around ring... will Porsche respond?

    Then they must have been swapping out brakes and wheels during the runs. Here are pictures of the car with the same number plates. This car clearly has cross-drilled brake rotors which aren't currently offered on the Plaid Model S...
  5. manitou202

    Plaid beats Taycan Turbo by 11 seconds around ring... will Porsche respond?

    Based on the pictures floating around, I was pretty sure the brakes weren't stock on the Model S that ran the ring. It seems Jalapnik has the same impression. https://jalopnik.com/something-about-teslas-model-s-plaid-nurburgring-run-do-1847654465 Yes you can easily modify a Plaid with...
  6. manitou202

    Plaid beats Taycan Turbo by 11 seconds around ring... will Porsche respond?

    I don't care about 1/4 or 0-60 times in general, but I would like a much lighter weight Taycan or Cayman/911 EV equivalent that can hold it's own around a road course. If Porsche gets into an EV numbers contest I guess Nurburgring times are probably the most relevant. However, they need to run a...
  7. manitou202

    Can't find the thread with the vid of Edmunds testing the Tesla Plaid...

    It does look like the Plaid has significantly better cooling, but repeated runs at a drag strip give the car a fair amount of time to cool down between runs. The Motor Trend data comparing the Model S Performance and the Taycan Turbo S was repeated back to back runs on an airstrip where they...
  8. manitou202

    Plaid beats Taycan Turbo by 11 seconds around ring... will Porsche respond?

    Porsche will definitely respond and the Taycan will run a sub 7:30 time. The current generation may even run that time. Porsche only released the numbers for the Taycan Turbo (not the S) and they have made several minor adjustments through updates and model year changes. Consider this. Here are...
  9. manitou202

    Porsche Announces Mission R EV Sports Car Concept

    Oil cooled. Now it’s a real Porsche.
  10. manitou202

    Taycan Turbo S vs. Model S Plaid - really by this much!?

    I grew up with posters of a 911 Turbo, a Ferrari 308, and a Countach on my wall. These were the dream cars of my childhood. When I got to college it shifted to something more realistic, an E36 M3. At that time the M3 was in the mid $40k range and seemed possible when I graduated. As I got older...
  11. manitou202

    Taycan Turbo S vs. Model S Plaid - really by this much!?

    Agreed. My 20 year old Nephew was chatting with my brother about his Ferrari 458, and he didn't understand why my brother wanted a Ferrari over a Model S P100D (the Plaid didn't exist at the time). A lot of younger individuals don't care about the cars we dreamed of as kids. Technology trumps...
  12. manitou202

    Taycan Turbo S vs. Model S Plaid - really by this much!?

    Not a very flattering review. Honestly this is what I would expect.
  13. manitou202

    Mercedes EQE looks better than EQS

    I'm not a fan of the EQS, but I think the EQE looks quite attractive. It's almost Gen 1 versus Gen 2 Panamera. The EQS just doesn't quite look right and has odd proportions, but the EQE seems to get it right. Compared to Tesla (because we compare everything to Tesla right :rolleyes:), I think...
  14. manitou202

    Mercedes EQE looks better than EQS

    Another new Mercedes EV. I didn't realize they had this many EV's in development. https://www.thedrive.com/news/42258/2022-mercedes-benz-eqb-same-boxy-suv-just-electric
  15. manitou202

    OMG Elon really does lie

    I wonder what will happen to all of the people who are supposed to get a roadster from their referrals? My guess is they deliver a roadster with 350-400 miles of range and Plaid like acceleration. No Space X booster or funny stuff. Not sure if they will deliver the 4680 batteries, but if they...
  16. manitou202

    OMG Elon really does lie

    Cybertruck delayed until late 2022 (read 2023 at best). https://electrek.co/2021/09/02/tesla-delays-cybertruck-late-2022/ Also, $25k Tesla to launch in 2023 possibly without a steering wheel. So this relies on FSD reliably working by then, and being able to add the $10k cost of FSD to a $25k...
  17. manitou202

    OMG Elon really does lie

    Between this announcement and the cancelling of the Model S Plaid+ with a 500 mile range, the 500 mile range CyberTruck is doomed as well. All three rely on the higher density batteries.
  18. manitou202

    Scared to ask... anyone tempted by Model S Plaid?

    Developing cars is nothing like developing phones. While Tesla has proven that software is going to be very important to vehicles in the future, and arguably has the best vehicle software at the moment, they still face a massive up hill battle over the next decade. The biggest complexity...
  19. manitou202

    Scared to ask... anyone tempted by Model S Plaid?

    Tesla compares itself to general automobile crash data which obviously includes millions of older vehicles without any modern active safety features. The average age of a vehicle on the road in the US is 12.1 years old. "By comparison, NHTSA’s most recent data shows that in the United States...
  20. manitou202

    Tesla admits FSD is a pipe dream

    Regardless of what the manual states or Tesla claims, if Autopilot is creating bad behaviors, and is unable to detect and stop for parked emergency vehicles, it should be investigated. This is part of the problem with Autopilot. It creates a false sense of security and control, thus creating...
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