"Porsche Changes EV Plan, Will Give Electric Models ICE Powertrains Too" - Article

[chun]

it's the price dummies!! not the demand.

the strategy so far seems to be:

• come out with an ok EV
• overprice it by quite a factor
• note that sales lag
• determine it because people don't want an EV
• beg the EU to roll back upcoming restrictions
• and revisit your past glory days and say you're going back to ICE vehicles

meanwhile the Chinese are having a different experience and there seems to be no demand problem in their market…

You mean that a 230.000 chf car, that as soon as you drive it out of the dealership is valued at 90.000 isn't worth 230.000 in people's eyes? Who would have thought ?

Or the fact that a car with 4 battery recalls a year has no plan for battery warranty beyond the 8 years mandated by EU, also inspires 0 confidence in the product?

Not to mention the very lackluster service & reliance of this car, in terms of amount of not battery related issues.

As a Chinese rich customer pointed very well the problem to media: " Porsche is now seen as a fossil in china, as luxury means more than just interior leather now".

 

[chun]

...........and looking at that story on the Xiaomi claiming the lap record from the Taycan today (albeit unfairly), the development speed is startling.

To be fair, they are coming out with a road legal version also, and they did test that one also, but no numbers published, so likely not so impressive. In the end, all marketing, it is listed as the 4th fastest prototype officially, definitely not as a 4 door sedan.
The road legal version has less battery cooling capacity; and of course, a real luxury trim instead of nothing on the inside ?
I did see people complain that the prototype had no back seats, so therefore not valid to be a 4 door sedan. Did the Porsche GT W had back seats? I also seem to remember the Porsche having a roll cage also.

But it's irrelevant, if it even comes close to Taycan GT W; while being priced at 70.000 euros fully specked; while the Taycan GT is close to 300.000; what's the point of comparing them?

Porsche has been doing this for how many years? Xiaomi is getting this close within 3 years. How long will Porsche even be able to compete on what they are proud of, driving dynamics?

 

[chun]

Interesting developments on the EU/China car tariffs today.
https://www.reuters.com/business/au...inese-evs-risking-beijing-payback-2024-10-29/

German car makers are finding themselves in a very bad situation, in a very short space of time.

This is the most compelling graph for me. If you think of the timescale the established manufacturers have been ruling the roost, the timeline of change is phenomenal.

This will likely get worse, with BYD building plants in Hungary & Poland; SAIC is going to France, Chery to Spain, Leapmotor to Poland; and more to follow. And all of these are also going to South America.

Chinese have proven that they can get to production within 1 year, over and over again.

So likely in 2026, that graph will be VASTLY different

 

[tigerbalm]

This is the most compelling graph for me. If you think of the timescale the established manufacturers have been ruling the roost, the timeline of change is phenomenal.

The difference between the Belgian and Dutch markets is amazing given how physically close and integrated the countries are.

I wonder what’s the main underlying reason?

 

[chun]

The difference between the Belgian and Dutch markets is amazing given how physically close and integrated the countries are.

I wonder what’s the main underlying reason?

Market saturation would be my guess, many people already having an EV

But a confirmed thing is also that some EU countries were opposed to the tariffs, among which was Belgium also as far as I remember, one of which, Norway, went as far as to say they will actively ignore the tariffs and welcome all Chinese cars, as in 2025 they plan to ban new ICE vehicles sales.

 

[Vim Schrotnock]

I have to agree with Porsche's strategy - some good discussion here.

EV's vs PHEV's - what makes sense in the next 10 years?

Overall, I think Porsche and all German automakers are in trouble. The Germans have a well-earned reputation of making the best drivers cars in the world. The 'driving experience' is evolving from a connection between the driver and the road through the car, to a connection to the driver via sensors, software and automated functions. I fear the Germans are being left behind, and the great things they have focused on to make a 'drivers car' are going by the wayside.