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Oh for sure. TBH until a company goes full EV and dedicates 100% of their R&D and production to EV's, Tesla is going to continue to have a huge leg up. At least now we have companies making more than just a single token mediocre EV model that dealers don't like selling, and we are seeing some...

Hmmm, not really, but I also don't think Tesla driver's are what you think they are. For the last decade, options for an EV are limited. People bought them because that's the only choice they had. Look how many folks here had Tesla's and converted to a Taycan because the option was available...

Weird, so if you own anything other than a Tesla, you didn't want it and just fell ass backwards into the car you're driving? Did the hypothetical Camry just show up to the drivers door, and they just shrugged their shoulders and said "whatever, okay I'll drive this". Not sure what is so...

This. I wouldn't be surprised if the Model S and X eventually just fade away. Another possibility is Tesla creates a more premium division just like every other legacy car maker.

Couldn't agree with you more. I don't mind the shortcomings for a price point under 50k, and I feel like the superior technology makes up for the lack of refinement in the cabin. But at 100k, there's no excuse, and it's why I think premium sedans like the Mercedes EQS/E will do well. Honestly...

You're dead on that a Porsche is more desirable. Tesla generates hate because their CEO is ridiculous and divisive (though a genius), their dedicated fans are more hardcore than any other automotive brand (and super obnoxious), and the company itself has completely shaken up the automotive...

I mean, that depends on the forum. I could say the same thing in the affirmative of Tesla. There's lots of forums, groups, and subreddits where it's a big Tesla circlejerk. Just as there obviously is with Porsche. I would expect a forum dedicated to Porsche and their EV, to have an overall...

My brain is melting. I guess it's also a fact that the overall opinion on Tesla is that is it loved by many.

If you're in the market for an EV, what car is out there that offers a superior experience to a Model 3 SR+ at the same price point? Quality on some builds, especially early on is lacking, but a Model 3 SR+ offers decent range, superior technology, is very safe, easy to drive, spirited enough...

Isn't what "car lovers" say on forums and groups the very definition of an opinion? The hate I think is way more focused on the fan boys that defend the brand to the end, as opposed to the actual cars. Jalopnik in particular loves to dunk on folks that worship at the grail of Tesla.

Yeah, I meant model years. We are knocking on 2 actual years of retail sales and about to be in our 3rd model year. There are definitely going to be repairs but it likely won't come close. I seem to recall a Taycan specialist on here from a dealer in Texas mentioning Porsche specifically is...

Initially an EV is money losing, but Tesla makes about a 21% gross on their vehicles, one of the highest in the industry. Porsche already stated this year the Taycan is profitable after just a couple sales years. The real hurt comes to the dealers when they don't have cars rolling in...

I'm sorry but to deny Tesla's impact on the automotive industry is just sticking your head in the sand. Without Tesla showing that EV's were feasible on a large scale to the mass market, the trickle down of governments mandating EV sales and emissions standards (which Diesel Gate assisted...

Their SUV's don't look bad at all. If they hit 300 miles of actual range and can charge quickly, they are going to be huge winners.

Not a fan of the grill/front of the EQE or EQS. Large applause to them for moving so quickly in this direction, but I find these to be their most umderwhelming looking cars.

Exactly. There's definitely great uses for autonomous cars. I imagine wanting to take a road trip and just starting out at night, sleeping in the car, and waking up at your destination. I think this sort of autonomy is still a long way off, but I don't doubt I see it in my lifetime. Even...

In all fairness just about every manufacturer out there, especially the ones you mentioned, makes a superior car to Tesla. Tesla wrecks everyone in technology, but the actual "kick the tires" vehicles Tesla makes are of mediocre build quality and materials used are non consistent with a car in...

Yeah, it really needs to be said that Tesla is more of a great research technology company that just so happens to make mediocre cars. Before my Taycan I had a 2013 Model S P85, and up until the day I sold it last year, it was still getting updated, and TBH had better tech and features than a...

Lots of factors I think. Probably part of the push to deliver 500k cars this year. Pissing contest/Competition with Lucid. Wanting to dump existing stock. Possible refresh coming.

Think this is very true. Although I always wanted a Porsche, when car shopping I entertained a new Model S vs a variety of different Porsche models, and crossed off the Model S because there wasn't enough new or different from my current S to make the jump. I was originally looking at higher...